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WBL Issues Committee

Soonerfan09

Well-Known Member
I am going to head a committee to deal with matters that cannot be handled by Karl alone and would like to invite those who want this league to continue running to participate.

I would prefer the committee to be 7 members, with any member being able to propose a league rule change, HOF inductee or removal, etc at any time (changes would actually take place when it makes sense). For smaller issues, such as HOF voting, I would prefer a 4-3 majority rules voting system. For larger issues, such as rule changes, I would be in favor of a 5-2 super majority. I am open to suggestions and ideas.

For dealing with inactive teams, I have a few ideas that I will share once we have an actual committee. For now, the purpose of this thread is to get people to sign up for the committee and to take suggestions on how the committee should work. I am also open to a better committee name.


@doh @Wolfman21 @Mr. Radpants @Orlando @goblue96 @Karl Hungus @anyone else who is interested (must be active owner in WBL)

Committee Members
Doh - Las Vegas PacMen
Goblue96 - Amsterdam Tulips
Mr. Radpants - Dublin Distillers
Soonerfan09 - Moscow Mules
 
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Travis7401

Douglass Tagg
Community Liaison
Honestly I think this is a bad idea, so let’s do it!

To me, the person/peopledoing all the work have the only opinion that matters, to me. You other trogs can rabble rouse all you want but ur not the ones having to deal with implementing any of this. Since Karl is currently the only sim master then that’s all I care about.

Count me in!
 

Mr. Radpants

Trog Five Standing By
Honestly I think this is a bad idea, so let’s do it!

To me, the person/peopledoing all the work have the only opinion that matters, to me. You other trogs can rabble rouse all you want but ur not the ones having to deal with implementing any of this. Since Karl is currently the only sim master then that’s all I care about.

Count me in!

Your opinion that no opinion matters except @Karl Hungus’ opinion is a paradox and cancels itself out, since your opinion doesn’t matter in your opinion.
 

Soonerfan09

Well-Known Member
Honestly I think this is a bad idea, so let’s do it!

To me, the person/peopledoing all the work have the only opinion that matters, to me. You other trogs can rabble rouse all you want but ur not the ones having to deal with implementing any of this. Since Karl is currently the only sim master then that’s all I care about.

Count me in!
Are you going to do this to seriously improve the league or are you going to do schtick the whole time? I welcome you doing this if you’re serious about it, but leave the bullshit out please.
As for @Karl Hungus, I would either want him to be a part of the committee or have some kind of veto power (perhaps a joint position with @Orlando?). But a committee without Karl is some form wouldn’t work.
 

Travis7401

Douglass Tagg
Community Liaison
Sure I’m serious, I just don’t value your opinion as highly as I value Karl’s! I don’t value the entire committee opinion as high as I value Karl’s, so I basically agree with him having a veto option. I think he’s done a thankless job keeping the league afloat for several years and I value what works for him more than any changes I might want to see.

The reason I think it’s a bad idea is that the cookies of discontent tend to get baked during these sort of discussions. I don’t want Karl to quit because of rabble rousing.
 

Soonerfan09

Well-Known Member
Sure I’m serious, I just don’t value your opinion as highly as I value Karl’s! I don’t value the entire committee opinion as high as I value Karl’s, so I basically agree with him having a veto option. I think he’s done a thankless job keeping the league afloat for several years and I value what works for him more than any changes I might want to see.

The reason I think it’s a bad idea is that the cookies of discontent tend to get baked during these sort of discussions. I don’t want Karl to quit because of rabble rousing.
The point of the committee is to help Karl and to keep people from bitching at him by dealing with sensitive issues that people get pissed regardless of what Karl does.
If you don’t think the committee is a good idea, then it’s probably in the best interest of the committee to look elsewhere. There seems to be a conflict of interest.
 

Mr. Radpants

Trog Five Standing By
Sure I’m serious, I just don’t value your opinion as highly as I value Karl’s! I don’t value the entire committee opinion as high as I value Karl’s, so I basically agree with him having a veto option. I think he’s done a thankless job keeping the league afloat for several years and I value what works for him more than any changes I might want to see.

The reason I think it’s a bad idea is that the cookies of discontent tend to get baked during these sort of discussions. I don’t want Karl to quit because of rabble rousing.

You’re the only one baking cookies in here so far.
 

TonyGin&Juice

Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
The point of the committee is to help Karl and to keep people from bitching at him by dealing with sensitive issues that people get pissed regardless of what Karl does.
If you don’t think the committee is a good idea, then it’s probably in the best interest of the committee to look elsewhere. There seems to be a conflict of interest.
To me, it sounds like we need to merge with that league if Bernie Bros that kicked me out and were always looking for 4-6 new team owners every week, to me.
 

Travis7401

Douglass Tagg
Community Liaison
The point of the committee is to help Karl and to keep people from bitching at him by dealing with sensitive issues that people get pissed regardless of what Karl does.
If you don’t think the committee is a good idea, then it’s probably in the best interest of the committee to look elsewhere. There seems to be a conflict of interest.

I’m going to make a committee where I actually invite the whole league! Ur invited to join
 

Mr. Radpants

Trog Five Standing By
He did invite the whole league.

I think it’s a good idea but doubt it works. The oven is already set on high. @Karl Hungus hasn’t even posted in here. @Travis7401 has said he doesn’t think anyone should have an opinion and is mostly posting drunk. Doubt @Orlando is into this.

The league had a good run. I like that you’re trying something here, just hard to picture it working.
 

TonyGin&Juice

Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
He did invite the whole league.

I think it’s a good idea but doubt it works. The oven is already set on high. @Karl Hungus hasn’t even posted in here. @Travis7401 has said he doesn’t think anyone should have an opinion and is mostly posting drunk. Doubt @Orlando is into this.

The league had a good run. I like that you’re trying something here, just hard to picture it working.
He didn’t @ me. If you don’t @ one of the few active owners that WON three rings can you really have a committee that matters?
 

Orlando

Well-Known Member
Utopia Moderator
What issues are you looking to solve? Or is this just for random stuff that comes up?
 

Karl Hungus

Here to fix the cable
I think there are a lot of solutions out looking for problems. The WBL is one of these online leagues around. Go look at the ootp forums, most of them sound miserable. Our #1 issue at any given time is empty teams/ absentee owners. It creates huge imbalances.

I have no problem with a commission, however it needs to be tri-lateral & advisory-only. There's more to making a change than just voting on it.
 

hayvis

Will-Gnome Member
I think there are a lot of solutions out looking for problems. The WBL is one of these online leagues around. Go look at the ootp forums, most of them sound miserable. Our #1 issue at any given time is empty teams/ absentee owners. It creates huge imbalances.

I have no problem with a commission, however it needs to be tri-lateral & advisory-only. There's more to making a change than just voting on it.

There's only a fucking few of us playing. If anyone has an idea it's easy to get anyone interested to see it by posting up, and then we can vote on it. The idea that we need a committee is just fucking retarded.
 

hayvis

Will-Gnome Member
He did invite the whole league.

I think it’s a good idea but doubt it works. The oven is already set on high. @Karl Hungus hasn’t even posted in here. @Travis7401 has said he doesn’t think anyone should have an opinion and is mostly posting drunk. Doubt @Orlando is into this.

The league had a good run. I like that you’re trying something here, just hard to picture it working.

No he didn't. Don't defend this utterly pathetic attempt to try to commit fuckery with the league. He just wants to crown himself fucking prince prick, surround himself with a few yes men and diddle with the diddles.
 

Karl Hungus

Here to fix the cable
There's only a fucking few of us playing. If anyone has an idea it's easy to get anyone interested to see it by posting up, and then we can vote on it. The idea that we need a committee is just fucking retarded.

There are three, maybe four empty teams. I'm not sure about Cairo because @fignuts said he quit but they also signed some free agents.
 

hayvis

Will-Gnome Member
There are three, maybe four empty teams. I'm not sure about Cairo because @fignuts said he quit but they also signed some free agents.

Well, exactly. There's about 12 of us or something. The idea that we need some kind of exclusive committee for 12 players is fuckshit. We can just talk about stuff on threads then put to a vote (at least making sure we @ everyone in). He just wants to crown himself head (see the OP), and then push his stupid agenda around. It's total cunty behaviour.
 

Soonerfan09

Well-Known Member
What issues are you looking to solve? Or is this just for random stuff that comes up?
Random things that come up, inactive teams (coming up with a solution and implementation - 1st step would be putting together a recruiting plan), small things like HOF, etc. This isn't intended to drastically change the league, it's purpose would be to help make decisions when the league comes to a standstill.

Well, exactly. There's about 12 of us or something. The idea that we need some kind of exclusive committee for 12 players is fuckshit. We can just talk about stuff on threads then put to a vote (at least making sure we @ everyone in). He just wants to crown himself head (see the OP), and then push his stupid agenda around. It's total cunty behaviour.
We've tried this over and over again and nothing ever gets done.


I think there are a lot of solutions out looking for problems. The WBL is one of these online leagues around. Go look at the ootp forums, most of them sound miserable. Our #1 issue at any given time is empty teams/ absentee owners. It creates huge imbalances.

I have no problem with a commission, however it needs to be tri-lateral & advisory-only. There's more to making a change than just voting on it.
I think our league is great, but there are certainly issues that can be improved upon or at least ironed out so that people are getting pissed off every time you make a necessary executive order. With that said, the last two league issues we've voted on have been completely irrelevant as the votes didn't matter and I don't think that's very good for the league either.
 

Travis7401

Douglass Tagg
Community Liaison
I just think it's hilarious that you try to paint this as "helping" Karl when you didn't even ask him if he WANTED HELP. I was going to head a committee to explain to you why this is some fuckshit, but it looks like @hayvis already declared hisself head of the Soonerfan committee is dumb committee. I guess I'll second his motion declaring this "cunty behavior."
 

Karl Hungus

Here to fix the cable
Here's my #1 proposal for a commission that would help the league:

Three-man panel to evaluate trades between owned & ghost teams. Berlin could have gotten assets this way for the pitchers they lost, Orlando could get his hands on Kamrk, Buffalo has a gr8 veteran 3b but Fucking Tao is ready in AAA, and I'm sure Lisbon has similar situations as well.
 

doh

THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
I agree the Ghost Teams are a serious problem. Two solutions.

  1. (Co-) managers of those teams from the OPPOSITE division.
  2. Contract

Having Karl run them is just too much. Can't we turn AI on too? Like AI will sign FAs, make moves, etc?
 

Travis7401

Douglass Tagg
Community Liaison
I would also appreciate if future committee nominations adhere to Robert's Rules of Order or some other 2091 accepted intergalactic standards. One does not simply appoint itself chairman of a committee and then decide who is on said committee...

52. Committees, Special and Standing. It is usual in deliberative assemblies, to have all preliminary work in the preparation of matter for their action done by means of committees. The committee may be either a "standing committee," appointed for a definite time, as a session or a year; or a "special [or select] committee," appointed for a special purpose; or a "committee of the whole" consisting of the entire assembly. [For method of appointing committees of the whole, see 55; other committees, see Commit, 32.] Committees of the whole are not used much except in legislative bodies, and when the word committees is used in this Manual, unless specified to the contrary, standing or special committees are meant. Unless the assembly has appointed a chairman, either directly or through its presiding officer, the first named on a committee, and in his absence the next named member, becomes chairman, and so on and should act as such unless the committee by a majority of its number elects a chairman, which it has the right to do if the assembly has not appointed one, and which a standing committee usually does. The clerk should furnish him, or, in his absence, some other member of the committee, with notice of the appointment of the committee, the names of the members, the papers or matter referred to it, and such instructions as the assembly has decided upon. Upon the committee's request, all papers and books necessary for the proper performance of its duties should be turned over to it by the proper officers.

It is the duty of the chairman to call the committee together, but, if he is absent, or neglects or declines to call a meeting of the committee? it is the duty of the committee to meet on the call of any two of its members. In small special committees the chairman usually acts as secretary, but in large ones and in all standing committees, it is customary to elect a secretary, who keeps a brief memorandum of what is done, for the use of the committee. Members of the society have a right to appear at the committee meetings and present their views on the subject before it at such reasonable times as, upon request, the committee may appoint. But during the deliberations of the committee no one has a right to be present, except members of the committee.

The rules of the assembly, as far as possible, apply to the committee, but motions to close or limit debate are not allowed, and there is no limit to the number of times a member may speak, and unless the committee is very large, it is not necessary for any one to rise and address the chair before making a motion or speaking, nor does the chairman rise to put the question, nor does he leave the chair to speak or make motions, nor are motions seconded. These formalities are unnecessary because the committee is so small, but, unless agreed to by general consent, all questions must be put to vote. Instead of the chairman's abstaining from speaking on questions, he is, usually, the most active participant in the discussions and work of the committee. In order that the assembly may have the benefit of the matured judgment of the committee, a reconsideration of a vote must be allowed regardless of the time and of previous reconsideration, and it may be moved by any one who did not vote with the minority, even if he was absent when the previous vote was taken; but it shall require a two-thirds vote for its adoption unless every member who voted with the majority is either present or received ample notice of the meeting and that the reconsideration was to be moved. This prevents taking advantage of the absence of members to reverse action, and enables members who were absent to bring up the question of reconsideration.

The committee constitute a miniature assembly, being able to act only when a quorum (a majority of the members) is present. If a paper is referred to them, they must not write on it, but should write their amendments on a separate sheet. If the amendments are numerous it is better to write out a substitute and submit it. If a resolution is referred to a committee while a motion to postpone indefinitely is pending, only the resolution is referred to the committee, the motion to postpone indefinitely being ignored. If amendments are pending they go to the committee, who may recommend their adoption or rejection, or make no recommendation in regard to them. If the committee originate the paper, all amendments must be incorporated in it. When they originate it, usually one member has previously prepared a draft, which is read entirely through, and then read by paragraphs, the chairman pausing after each paragraph, and asking: "Are there any amendments proposed to this paragraph?" No vote is taken on the adoption of the separate paragraphs; but, after the whole paper has been read in this way, it is open to amendment generally, by striking out any paragraph, or by substituting or inserting new ones, or by substituting an entirely new paper for it. If there is a preamble it is considered last. When the entire paper has been amended to suit the committee, they should adopt it as their report, and direct the chairman or some other member to report it to the assembly. When committees are appointed to investigate, or to report upon, certain matters, the report should close with, or be accompanied by, formal resolutions covering all recommendations, so that when their report is made no motion is necessary except to adopt the resolutions.

If the report is written in this form, "Your committee are of the opinion that Mr. A's bill should be paid," there might be some doubt as to the effect of the adoption of the recommendation or the report. The report should close with a recommendation that the following order be adopted: "Ordered, That the treasurer pay Mr. A's bill for $10.15." If a report recommends that charges be preferred against Mr. B, it should close with recommending the adoption of resolutions, which should be written out, providing for holding an adjourned meeting, and for citing the member to appear at the adjourned meeting for trial on charges that must be specified. These should be prepared by the committee and submitted as a part of their report. The committee should never leave to others the responsibility of preparing resolutions to carry out their recommendations. They should consider this as one of their most important duties.

When the report has been adopted by the committee a clear copy is made, usually commencing in a style similar to this: "The committee to whom was referred (state the matter referred), beg leave to submit the following report ;" or, "Your committee appointed to (specify the object), respectfully report," etc. If the report is of much importance it should be signed by all the members concurring in the report; but when it is of little importance, or merely recommends amendments, etc., it may be signed by the chairman alone, his signature being followed by the word "Chairman." He should not, however, place "Chairman" after his signature except when he signs the report alone and by the authority of the committee. The report must always be in the third person though written and signed by only one. The signature may be preceded by the words, "Respectfully submitted," but it is not necessary. Usually the report is not dated or addressed, and sometimes it consists merely of a resolution, or a set of resolutions. In the latter case the chairman states he is instructed by the committee to submit and to move the adoption of the resolutions. The report of the majority is the report of the committee and should never be referred to as the majority report.

If the minority submit a report, (or more properly, their "views,") it may commence thus: "The undersigned, a minority of the committee appointed, etc., not agreeing with the majority, desire to express their views in the case." After the committee's report has been read and the motion to adopt has been made and the question stated, it is usual to allow the minority to present their views, but if any one objects to its reception the chair should put the question to vote on its being received. It requires a majority vote to receive it, the question being undebatable. When the minority report is read it is for information, and it cannot be acted upon except by a motion to substitute it for the report of the committee. Whether the views of the minority are read or not, any one can move to substitute the resolutions they recommend for those recommended by the committee. Where the minority cannot agree, each member may submit his views separately. In some cases a member agrees to the report with a single exception, in which case instead of submitting his views separately, after all have signed who agree to the report he may write that he agrees to the report except the part which he specifies, and then sign the statement.

The committee's report1 can contain only that which has been agreed to by a majority vote at a meeting of which every member has been notified, or at an adjourned meeting thereof (a quorum, a majority of the members, being present), except where it is impracticable to have a meeting of the committee, when it may contain what is agreed to by every member. If a committee is appointed from different sections of the country with the expectation that its work will be done by correspondence, its report can contain only what is agreed to by a majority of the members.

A committee, except a committee of the whole, can appoint a sub-committee which, however, reports to the committee, and never to the assembly. This sub-committee must consist of members of the committee, except in cases where the committee is appointed to take action that requires the assistance of others, as to make arrangements for holding a bazaar. In such a case it is best to appoint the committee with power to appoint such subcommittees as are required; or, as is frequently done, to appoint the committee "with power," which means with power to take all the steps necessary to carry out its instructions. A committee has no power to punish its members for disorderly conduct, its recourse being to report the facts to the assembly. No allusion can be made in the assembly to what has occurred during the deliberations of the committee, unless it is by a report of the committee or by general consent. When a special committee is through with the business assigned it, a motion is made for the committee to "rise" (which is equivalent to the motion to adjourn without day), and that the chairman (or some member who is more familiar with the subject) make its report to the assembly. A special committee ceases to exist as soon as the assembly receives its report. When a committee adjourns without appointing a time for the next meeting, it is considered as having adjourned at the call of the chair, so that all the meetings of a special committee constitute one session. A meeting of a special committee may be called at any time by the chairman or by any two of its members, every member being notified. When a committee adjourns to meet at another time, it is not necessary (though usually advisable) that absent members should be notified of the adjourned meeting.

A standing committee is either wholly, or partially, elected at each annual meeting in ordinary societies, and immediately thereafter it reorganizes by electing a chairman (unless he has been appointed by the assembly) and a secretary. Therefore, a standing committee must report at the annual meeting, or before, on everything referred to it during the year. The motion to rise is never used in standing committees or boards, nor is it used in other committees except when the committee is ready to report so that it will never meet again. A special committee is appointed for a specific purpose, and until the duty assigned it by the society is accomplished it continues to exist, unless sooner discharged, which requires a two-thirds vote if done without notice being given. The fact that an annual meeting has intervened does not discharge a special committee appointed by a society. But in an elected or appointed body, as a convention, special committees that have not reported cease to exist when the new officers assume their duties at the next annual meeting. When discharged, the chairman of the committee returns to the secretary all documents received from him.

While in small assemblies, especially in those where but little business is done, there is not much need of committees, in large assemblies, or in those doing a great deal of business, committees are of the utmost importance. When a committee is properly selected, in nine cases out of ten its action decides that of the assembly. A committee for action should be small, and consist only of those heartily in favor of the proposed action. If one not in sympathy with it is appointed. he should ask to be excused. A committee for deliberation or investigation, on the contrary, should be large, and represent all parties in the assembly, so that its opinion will carry with it as great weight as possible. The usefulness of the committee will be greatly impaired if any important faction of the assembly is unrepresented on the committee. The appointment of a committee is fully explained in 32.
 

Karl Hungus

Here to fix the cable
I agree the Ghost Teams are a serious problem. Two solutions.

  1. (Co-) managers of those teams from the OPPOSITE division.
  2. Contract
Having Karl run them is just too much. Can't we turn AI on too? Like AI will sign FAs, make moves, etc?


AI will sign FA's (in the dead period, too, which has to be undone), make stupid 7 year $30m extensions, and do god knows what else.
 

Mr. Radpants

Trog Five Standing By
I would also appreciate if future committee nominations adhere to Robert's Rules of Order or some other 2091 accepted intergalactic standards. One does not simply appoint itself chairman of a committee and then decide who is on said committee...

52. Committees, Special and Standing. It is usual in deliberative assemblies, to have all preliminary work in the preparation of matter for their action done by means of committees. The committee may be either a "standing committee," appointed for a definite time, as a session or a year; or a "special [or select] committee," appointed for a special purpose; or a "committee of the whole" consisting of the entire assembly. [For method of appointing committees of the whole, see 55; other committees, see Commit, 32.] Committees of the whole are not used much except in legislative bodies, and when the word committees is used in this Manual, unless specified to the contrary, standing or special committees are meant. Unless the assembly has appointed a chairman, either directly or through its presiding officer, the first named on a committee, and in his absence the next named member, becomes chairman, and so on and should act as such unless the committee by a majority of its number elects a chairman, which it has the right to do if the assembly has not appointed one, and which a standing committee usually does. The clerk should furnish him, or, in his absence, some other member of the committee, with notice of the appointment of the committee, the names of the members, the papers or matter referred to it, and such instructions as the assembly has decided upon. Upon the committee's request, all papers and books necessary for the proper performance of its duties should be turned over to it by the proper officers.

It is the duty of the chairman to call the committee together, but, if he is absent, or neglects or declines to call a meeting of the committee? it is the duty of the committee to meet on the call of any two of its members. In small special committees the chairman usually acts as secretary, but in large ones and in all standing committees, it is customary to elect a secretary, who keeps a brief memorandum of what is done, for the use of the committee. Members of the society have a right to appear at the committee meetings and present their views on the subject before it at such reasonable times as, upon request, the committee may appoint. But during the deliberations of the committee no one has a right to be present, except members of the committee.

The rules of the assembly, as far as possible, apply to the committee, but motions to close or limit debate are not allowed, and there is no limit to the number of times a member may speak, and unless the committee is very large, it is not necessary for any one to rise and address the chair before making a motion or speaking, nor does the chairman rise to put the question, nor does he leave the chair to speak or make motions, nor are motions seconded. These formalities are unnecessary because the committee is so small, but, unless agreed to by general consent, all questions must be put to vote. Instead of the chairman's abstaining from speaking on questions, he is, usually, the most active participant in the discussions and work of the committee. In order that the assembly may have the benefit of the matured judgment of the committee, a reconsideration of a vote must be allowed regardless of the time and of previous reconsideration, and it may be moved by any one who did not vote with the minority, even if he was absent when the previous vote was taken; but it shall require a two-thirds vote for its adoption unless every member who voted with the majority is either present or received ample notice of the meeting and that the reconsideration was to be moved. This prevents taking advantage of the absence of members to reverse action, and enables members who were absent to bring up the question of reconsideration.

The committee constitute a miniature assembly, being able to act only when a quorum (a majority of the members) is present. If a paper is referred to them, they must not write on it, but should write their amendments on a separate sheet. If the amendments are numerous it is better to write out a substitute and submit it. If a resolution is referred to a committee while a motion to postpone indefinitely is pending, only the resolution is referred to the committee, the motion to postpone indefinitely being ignored. If amendments are pending they go to the committee, who may recommend their adoption or rejection, or make no recommendation in regard to them. If the committee originate the paper, all amendments must be incorporated in it. When they originate it, usually one member has previously prepared a draft, which is read entirely through, and then read by paragraphs, the chairman pausing after each paragraph, and asking: "Are there any amendments proposed to this paragraph?" No vote is taken on the adoption of the separate paragraphs; but, after the whole paper has been read in this way, it is open to amendment generally, by striking out any paragraph, or by substituting or inserting new ones, or by substituting an entirely new paper for it. If there is a preamble it is considered last. When the entire paper has been amended to suit the committee, they should adopt it as their report, and direct the chairman or some other member to report it to the assembly. When committees are appointed to investigate, or to report upon, certain matters, the report should close with, or be accompanied by, formal resolutions covering all recommendations, so that when their report is made no motion is necessary except to adopt the resolutions.

If the report is written in this form, "Your committee are of the opinion that Mr. A's bill should be paid," there might be some doubt as to the effect of the adoption of the recommendation or the report. The report should close with a recommendation that the following order be adopted: "Ordered, That the treasurer pay Mr. A's bill for $10.15." If a report recommends that charges be preferred against Mr. B, it should close with recommending the adoption of resolutions, which should be written out, providing for holding an adjourned meeting, and for citing the member to appear at the adjourned meeting for trial on charges that must be specified. These should be prepared by the committee and submitted as a part of their report. The committee should never leave to others the responsibility of preparing resolutions to carry out their recommendations. They should consider this as one of their most important duties.

When the report has been adopted by the committee a clear copy is made, usually commencing in a style similar to this: "The committee to whom was referred (state the matter referred), beg leave to submit the following report ;" or, "Your committee appointed to (specify the object), respectfully report," etc. If the report is of much importance it should be signed by all the members concurring in the report; but when it is of little importance, or merely recommends amendments, etc., it may be signed by the chairman alone, his signature being followed by the word "Chairman." He should not, however, place "Chairman" after his signature except when he signs the report alone and by the authority of the committee. The report must always be in the third person though written and signed by only one. The signature may be preceded by the words, "Respectfully submitted," but it is not necessary. Usually the report is not dated or addressed, and sometimes it consists merely of a resolution, or a set of resolutions. In the latter case the chairman states he is instructed by the committee to submit and to move the adoption of the resolutions. The report of the majority is the report of the committee and should never be referred to as the majority report.

If the minority submit a report, (or more properly, their "views,") it may commence thus: "The undersigned, a minority of the committee appointed, etc., not agreeing with the majority, desire to express their views in the case." After the committee's report has been read and the motion to adopt has been made and the question stated, it is usual to allow the minority to present their views, but if any one objects to its reception the chair should put the question to vote on its being received. It requires a majority vote to receive it, the question being undebatable. When the minority report is read it is for information, and it cannot be acted upon except by a motion to substitute it for the report of the committee. Whether the views of the minority are read or not, any one can move to substitute the resolutions they recommend for those recommended by the committee. Where the minority cannot agree, each member may submit his views separately. In some cases a member agrees to the report with a single exception, in which case instead of submitting his views separately, after all have signed who agree to the report he may write that he agrees to the report except the part which he specifies, and then sign the statement.

The committee's report1 can contain only that which has been agreed to by a majority vote at a meeting of which every member has been notified, or at an adjourned meeting thereof (a quorum, a majority of the members, being present), except where it is impracticable to have a meeting of the committee, when it may contain what is agreed to by every member. If a committee is appointed from different sections of the country with the expectation that its work will be done by correspondence, its report can contain only what is agreed to by a majority of the members.

A committee, except a committee of the whole, can appoint a sub-committee which, however, reports to the committee, and never to the assembly. This sub-committee must consist of members of the committee, except in cases where the committee is appointed to take action that requires the assistance of others, as to make arrangements for holding a bazaar. In such a case it is best to appoint the committee with power to appoint such subcommittees as are required; or, as is frequently done, to appoint the committee "with power," which means with power to take all the steps necessary to carry out its instructions. A committee has no power to punish its members for disorderly conduct, its recourse being to report the facts to the assembly. No allusion can be made in the assembly to what has occurred during the deliberations of the committee, unless it is by a report of the committee or by general consent. When a special committee is through with the business assigned it, a motion is made for the committee to "rise" (which is equivalent to the motion to adjourn without day), and that the chairman (or some member who is more familiar with the subject) make its report to the assembly. A special committee ceases to exist as soon as the assembly receives its report. When a committee adjourns without appointing a time for the next meeting, it is considered as having adjourned at the call of the chair, so that all the meetings of a special committee constitute one session. A meeting of a special committee may be called at any time by the chairman or by any two of its members, every member being notified. When a committee adjourns to meet at another time, it is not necessary (though usually advisable) that absent members should be notified of the adjourned meeting.

A standing committee is either wholly, or partially, elected at each annual meeting in ordinary societies, and immediately thereafter it reorganizes by electing a chairman (unless he has been appointed by the assembly) and a secretary. Therefore, a standing committee must report at the annual meeting, or before, on everything referred to it during the year. The motion to rise is never used in standing committees or boards, nor is it used in other committees except when the committee is ready to report so that it will never meet again. A special committee is appointed for a specific purpose, and until the duty assigned it by the society is accomplished it continues to exist, unless sooner discharged, which requires a two-thirds vote if done without notice being given. The fact that an annual meeting has intervened does not discharge a special committee appointed by a society. But in an elected or appointed body, as a convention, special committees that have not reported cease to exist when the new officers assume their duties at the next annual meeting. When discharged, the chairman of the committee returns to the secretary all documents received from him.

While in small assemblies, especially in those where but little business is done, there is not much need of committees, in large assemblies, or in those doing a great deal of business, committees are of the utmost importance. When a committee is properly selected, in nine cases out of ten its action decides that of the assembly. A committee for action should be small, and consist only of those heartily in favor of the proposed action. If one not in sympathy with it is appointed. he should ask to be excused. A committee for deliberation or investigation, on the contrary, should be large, and represent all parties in the assembly, so that its opinion will carry with it as great weight as possible. The usefulness of the committee will be greatly impaired if any important faction of the assembly is unrepresented on the committee. The appointment of a committee is fully explained in 32.

You are the worst
 

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THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
AI will sign FA's (in the dead period, too, which has to be undone), make stupid 7 year $30m extensions, and do god knows what else.
Yeah but AI always tries to win. It never tanks.

And can't we turn off AI FA until maybe ST? Then they can go crazy and fill roster. The deals aren't great but they try to win.
 
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