QB play….to scramble or not to scramble

[NavyHog]

I agree that there is a fine line between what is SIM and UNSIM. It is subjective and everyone has a different interpretation. While not specifically spelled out in the rules – it is frowned upon if one continually rolls one way or another to pass or run. It’s going to happen, I do it from time to time if everyone is covered (or maybe I’m not seeing the field well), but it shouldn’t be hike, sprint right or left and then throw or run. In real football the zone is going to adjust to the QB closing down half the field of play, in “our version” the zone doesn’t change no matter what.

In summary: It’s okay from time to time, it’s always okay to run if everyone is covered. It’s not okay to drop back to pass with the intention of running. Also I appreciate you guys coming on here and discussing the matter with a degree of civility and respect.. It's a game, and while we do play to win, it should be for fun and not "super serious".

 

[Travis7401]

I love a good sim/cheese debate and it is something I find I miss most after the death of the NCAA series.

@kella and I were talking about how nice it would be if NCAA online dynasties had the benefit of they PS4/Xbone easy upload/streaming capabilities. I think it would really clear up all the accusations of non-sim play to just be able to press the "share" button and show people what you have a problem with, specifically.

All of this stuff just boils down to "don't be an asshole," honestly. Rolling out and running with the QB can certainly be a legitimate tactic and there are times where all your receivers are completely blanketed (especially when your opponent decides to run a play with 8 men in zones and then hot routes MORE of the D-line to zones). But Rolling out can be a dick move too if you are constantly taking advantage of a specific AI flaw (This would be the difference between running toss sweeps in general and running STRONG I CLOSE TOSS over and over again because it creates an alignment bug on the defense that leaves the edge open). If you start to make cackling noises or laughing maniacally as you roll out to run with your QB (Like I do with Randall Cunningham in Madden Ultimate Team) then you are probably crossing that "asshole" line. If you are playing a ranked game online against some puber who is setting up Nano blitzes every play, then it's all in the game yo. If you are in a dynasty with people you respect, then act like a gentleman.

 

[NavyHog]

Some of the guys in the old OD's were super tight Anal assholes and were very quick to break out the "That's not SIM card!". I don't blame anyone for trying to make a positive play if their first couple of options are blanketed.

You hit the nail on the head here: All of this stuff just boils down to "don't be an asshole," honestly

It's hard to try to explain to someone to play SIM. It's like trying to describe pornography. I can't really define it, but I know it when I see it.

 

[kella]

Also, if you're a scrambling QB, then go ahead and scramble. If you're only a scrambling QB when down 14 and looking for, um, an advantage, that's cheesy as hell. My friend used to play as Miami U and scramble with Rapelisberger whenever he needed to pull out a win. I murdered him.

 

[Mr. Radpants]

This thread makes me want to play footbaw again. Should I pick up this game? The top review tells me not to...

 

[Travis7401]

This thread makes me want to play footbaw again. Should I pick up this game? The top review tells me not to...

You could always buy Madden 16. From what I could tell in my limited gameplay experience, it mostly consists of waiting for 20 minutes while watching various load screens of Odell Beckham Jr. thrusting his animated crotch in your general direction while you listen to some terrible Hick-Hop Madden TRAX. You can't just walk away and wait for this to unfold either, as you'll be intermittently prompted for "press x" style input. Why is that still a thing in the year 2015? I started the game, why do I have to confirm 82 times that I indeed want to start the game I already started?

Then you finally get online and it is the same ol' EA fuckshit you know and love. I recommend embracing the darkside and dropping $20 on Madden coins so you can buy Randall Cunningham and just grief everyone you play. Best $20 you'd ever spend on an EA sports footbaw game.

YEEEEEE HAAWWWWWW MADDEN

 

[TXHusker05]

I agree that there is a fine line between what is SIM and UNSIM. It is subjective and everyone has a different interpretation. While not specifically spelled out in the rules – it is frowned upon if one continually rolls one way or another to pass or run. It’s going to happen, I do it from time to time if everyone is covered (or maybe I’m not seeing the field well), but it shouldn’t be hike, sprint right or left and then throw or run. In real football the zone is going to adjust to the QB closing down half the field of play, in “our version” the zone doesn’t change no matter what.

In summary: It’s okay from time to time, it’s always okay to run if everyone is covered. It’s not okay to drop back to pass with the intention of running. Also I appreciate you guys coming on here and discussing the matter with a degree of civility and respect.. It's a game, and while we do play to win, it should be for fun and not "super serious".

When it comes to scrambling, my general "rule" is... anything in the tackle box goes. If you step up in the pocket and take off straight ahead, go for it. I had a play vs Flann in the red zone where he dropped 8 into zone, I stepped up to run and saw my WR break off his route in the back of the end zone, threw it up to him and scored. I think any stuff like that is fair game.

It is the stuff when you start getting outside the hash at or beyond the numbers that gets dicey. The defenders aren't "smart" enough to track the QB so you have to both manually take control of someone and track him while still worrying about receivers behind you. I think when you start getting at/beyond the numbers when scrambling outside of the box, you either need to commit to running or commit to throwing. When someone scrambles way wide, acts like they are going to run and then throws it bugs me a bit because there's just no way to possibly defend that within the constraints of the game.

That's typically my rule of thumb for scrambling around with the QB. If you have an athlete use the hell out of him. As long as you're not dropping beyond 10-12 yards behind the line of scrimmage or calling pass plays with the sole intent to run with him or exploit the flaws mentioned above, it's probably all fine.

 

[Flanntastic]

i'm not in this dynasty, BUT......

if you run past the line of scrimmage with your QB, on pass plays, more than twice a game......you be cheesin

 

[Travis7401]

Flanntastic never watched vince young or Terrell Pryor. 3rd down was always 4 verts and scramble for the first down. Ie the "run around like an asshole"offense.

 

[Flanntastic]

I am in buckeye land, i have seen Pryor and Braxton do it, but I can't kick Urban out of my OD.

 

[Travis7401]

Lets say you run a play that is a designed bootleg or even a half roll concept (flood, stick, Spot can all be considered half roll). The other user has called a defense with 8+men in coverage (Is hot routing additional defenders allowed in ur OD? Because I played people who would hot rout 9-10 defenders into coverage near the red zone (using QB spy on DL). In that case why wouldn't you take off running with your QB since you are calling a play that has that option? I mean it isn't like you're basing your offense around running around like an asshole, but you are reacting to what the defense is doing. To me there is a difference there. If you just blindly sprint out to the right/left at the snap constantly to get the defenders stuck in the run/pass netherworld, then I'd have a problem with it. If you are using a half roll to change throwing angles (important on those plays) and you find the defense isn't rushing anyone, then you should be able to take off.

I never did play NCAA14, but by NCAA 12 and 13 the "contain" D-line call seemed to be pretty effective at stopping those instant sprint rollouts (and it still works in Madden)

 

[kella]

There was that one Michigan game where Pryor converted like 3 or 4 3rd and 18s, but at the time he was one of like 2 qb in the p5 that could pull that off. In vidya you can put a fast cb at qb and do this.

 

[NavyHog]

This is the rule.

10) A minimum of two players must rush the passer on every play, regardless of the game situation. Hot routing 10 or 11 players into coverage is NOT permitted at any time.

I should probably change it to a minimum of three (although there is a play in Nickel Normal in which it calls for 9 people to drop into a zone). We police ourselves and I've never seen anyone drop 9 people in coverage (I have my own "code" where I always rush at least 3). It's harder to run with the QB from the pocket than it was in older versions. I don't know how to describe it, but no matter how fast they are they don't accelerate well from the pocket. Also hot routing a LB to a spy will usually contain most QBs.

 

[Travis7401]

If I don't see 3 people rushing, I'd take off every time just to be a dick, honestly. Fuck 9 man zones, that's at least as cheesy as scrambling.

 

[Flanntastic]

If I don't see 3 people rushing, I'd take off every time just to be a dick, honestly. Fuck 9 man zones, that's at least as cheesy as scrambling.

U so Jcash

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[TotalDoubt]

U so Jcash

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Speaking of JCash, you fucker. Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus would you give him my cell phone number? I know you're sitting there with that shit eating grin on your face as you read this, too. Lol

 

[Flanntastic]

Speaking of JCash, you fucker. Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus would you give him my cell phone number? I know you're sitting there with that shit eating grin on your face as you read this, too. Lol

Lol, he is your bama kin

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[Travis7401]

I miss Jcash.

 

[Flanntastic]

I miss Jcash.

Can I borrow your cell #

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[Travis7401]

We'd be fishing together in no time!

 

[TXHusker05]

I am in buckeye land, i have seen Pryor and Braxton do it, but I can't kick Urban out of my OD.

 

[NavyHog]

I miss Jcash.

I miss @travissucksdicks

@TotalDoubt I just have to know what did he want? How long did you talk.

 

[TXHusker05]

This is the rule.

10) A minimum of two players must rush the passer on every play, regardless of the game situation. Hot routing 10 or 11 players into coverage is NOT permitted at any time.

I should probably change it to a minimum of three (although there is a play in Nickel Normal in which it calls for 9 people to drop into a zone). We police ourselves and I've never seen anyone drop 9 people in coverage (I have my own "code" where I always rush at least 3). It's harder to run with the QB from the pocket than it was in older versions. I don't know how to describe it, but no matter how fast they are they don't accelerate well from the pocket. Also hot routing a LB to a spy will usually contain most QBs.

I typically rush 3-4 every play, but I use 425 Normal Max Zone as a base play, with the DL all hot routed to rush. I like the 3 deep, 4 hook zone look vs people who run curls a lot, as opposed to two flats and two hook zones. Occasionally when my opponent is in no huddle and changes his play after I hot route, the defense resets to the original base Max Zone play. So there have been a few plays here and there where I have dropped 9 unintentionally because I can't re-hot route the DL in time before the snap. Happens rarely, but happens unfortunately. One of those stupid EA quirks.

 

[Flanntastic]

In I think 2012, if you ran the qb on a pass play, he would fumble 25% of the time

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[TXHusker05]

In I think 2012, if you ran the qb on a pass play, he would fumble 25% of the time

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I think it is still like that. If you look at our game, I think I scrambled 2-3 times late in the game because my receivers couldn't get any sort of separation. I survived the first two but fumbled the third. Might just be because of QB has horrific carry ratings though.

 

[TotalDoubt]

I miss @travissucksdicks

@TotalDoubt I just have to know what did he want? How long did you talk.

He brought up the bet we made a while back about the SEC championship game. I said if Auburn went he had to drive me to the game in that sweet ass limo. If Alabama went, I said I'd give him my tickets. Then he went on to profess how in love he was with Travis and BFlan, and couldn't decide between the two. I gave him some advice and then gave him BFlan's number and just told him to play them both.

 

[Bmack]

Corch Mack's astronaut high playbook is full of rollout passes to give a run pass option. It's the only way I could get collinsworth his rushing yards.

 

[guardman23]

He brought up the bet we made a while back about the SEC championship game. I said if Auburn went he had to drive me to the game in that sweet ass limo. If Alabama went, I said I'd give him my tickets. Then he went on to profess how in love he was with Travis and BFlan, and couldn't decide between the two. I gave him some advice and then gave him BFlan's number and just told him to play them both.

You didn't own up to your end of are bet you liar @TotalDoubt @Travis7401 public shame him!!!