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Shoulda guillotined them instead of just giving them poor service
anyone that spends 13k per ticket to go to a race to not watch the race and take insta pictures instead deserves all the shit food and service they can get. Fuck em. The only thing miami did right the whole weekend
hayvis
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Yes, it's great. They are far behind at this stage though, as they've had to sacrifice some downforce to get the new floor to work. They can get the downforce back, but that will appear in another floor upgrade. Still faster though at this stage, and they are saying they have race pace to compete with Ferrarri.
Could be an interesting race today as Verstappen is well overdue another engine blowup.
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hayvis
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PS. I'm not buying into the Leclerc vs Verstappen that the media are desperately trying to drum up. Leclerc (as he's showing) imo is a good driver but way down on Verstappen's level. Given the same car V would beat him every time. Not saying Leclerc is bad, but the reason why it was so exciting last year was that Hamilton and Verstappen's skill levels were so evenly matched (in different ways). I still think Verstappen's low IQ will be what lets him down from being a dominant champion though. All the skills with absolutely no brain.
Also... Bring on George Russell. He's the real deal and absolute opposite of Verstappen in that he'\s highly intelligent. If given a good car he could absolutely dominate. This is the rivalry F1 needs to get going. George will not only outsmart him, but he'll crush him in any media etc.
Also... Bring on George Russell. He's the real deal and absolute opposite of Verstappen in that he'\s highly intelligent. If given a good car he could absolutely dominate. This is the rivalry F1 needs to get going. George will not only outsmart him, but he'll crush him in any media etc.
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hayvis
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It's a fact. I read about his school career somewhere. Thick as pigshit.
hayvis: bout time for Red Bull to blow up again.
race: Mercedes limps home after nearly blowing up.
hayvis: verstappen dumb, Brits are super smart. This race proves it.
race: verstappen wins by 20 seconds and laps 17 out of 19 cars. Hamilton wanted to retire on lap 1 after getting a puncture
I love it
race: Mercedes limps home after nearly blowing up.
hayvis: verstappen dumb, Brits are super smart. This race proves it.
race: verstappen wins by 20 seconds and laps 17 out of 19 cars. Hamilton wanted to retire on lap 1 after getting a puncture
I love it
hayvis
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No coherant point here at all. You're obviously as mentally challenged as Max.
hayvis
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Just to clarify, I don't think Hamilton is brain of Britain, but Max makes him look like a rocket scientist. Most of the drivers are reasonably competent mentally, Russell is director of the drivers association as all the others respect his intellect. Riccardio and Verstappen are both borderline stupid.
Max's skills should have made him a dominant force well before now. It's the thing that will hold him back from being a GOAT.
Max's skills should have made him a dominant force well before now. It's the thing that will hold him back from being a GOAT.
hayvis
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@Wolfman21 thinks that throwing your whole team under the bus for a faulty DRS when you should know you'll win the race anyway is NOT STUPID.... MUCH WOW
a dominant force well before now? How many drivers in the history of F1 were dominant forces before they turned 23 years old? Are you saying he’s the most talented driver of all time?
hayvis
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He's insanely talented, which is why was the youngest driver to ever race in F1. That it took him seven years to win a title which he was gifted due to a mistake, is an underachievemnt for the money and effort invested in him.
he won a title in his age 23 season…
hayvis
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"In his age 23 season". You mean when he was 24 (do you have an MV poster on your wall or something? You sound like the fan boys on twitter). So youngest ever F1 driver takes 7 seasons to win and is only 4th youngest champion. Red bull did not count on it taking him that long, else they wouldn't have put him in F1 so early. The reality is that he started far younger but took far more seasons than a lot of other guys to win.
He is an underachiever. Basically beacuse he is a massive talent but is a slow learner. Let's be honest he basically blew it last season too, due to brainless incidents which he would have been better off stearing clear of) but was gifted the championship by a mistake.
hayvis
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PS - @OU11 - why the fuck do you keep signaling me in just to disagree with me? It's like all of the other topics on these boards these days. All you seem to want to do is troll me.
My opinions on a lot of things may as well seem alien to the few people left on Nutopia when in reality they are not unpopular ones. I think a few people have totally ruined these boards and chased most of the funny and interesting poeple off or forced them into posting a whole lot less.
The irony of you signalling me back in because it's dead just to chase me off again is just astounding.
My opinions on a lot of things may as well seem alien to the few people left on Nutopia when in reality they are not unpopular ones. I think a few people have totally ruined these boards and chased most of the funny and interesting poeple off or forced them into posting a whole lot less.
The irony of you signalling me back in because it's dead just to chase me off again is just astounding.
Hey bud, I didn't bring up Verstappen's intelligence and I didn't disagree with you for exactly the reason you have written in this post. I said I love that you think he's dumb because it's a funny take. Then I just wanted to clarify your position because to think he's dumb you have to think he is so much more talented than the smart drivers, I was just curious. I never once argued with you. I think you have me confused with wolfmad
hayvis
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Ok. My bad. I think you're missing the nuance though. I'm exagerrating when I say he's as thick as pig shit. He's just not that smart and a lot less smart than some of the other guys on the grid. As I said before, he and Ricciardo imo are the least intelligent drivers.
I think he's exceptionally talented, and gifted with skill levels on a par with the best ever drivers, which is why I think he absolutely justified being the youngest ever F1 driver. I think it's his intelligence that has lead to him not spectacularly underachieving, but somewhat considering his talent.
I don't think a lot of people would argue that he threw away a massive lead last year by not having the intelligence to adjust his strategy on the fly with a superior car for a lot of the season. Take for example driving super aggressively at Silverstone when all he needed to do was finish the race in the top three to run away with it. ANd there are many other examples.
I think no-one would argue that he gets overly frustrated very, very quickly in the heat of the moment. I don't think this is his fault, as I believe he's just not that smart and gets caught up in the moment. Yesterday was a classic example. You would never find one of the more intelligent drivers throwing his team under the bus over a faulty DRS, when it was more than likely that if they thought about it for 2 seconds they would realise they were on course to win anyway.
hayvis
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@OU11 Ricciardo is a totally different personality, but similar thing. He is INSANELY talented and I've seldom seen better race day skills from any driver ever. I just think he finds all of the other stuff you need to win far too mentally challenging - the best racers know how to work with the enhgineers to their advantage, and how to get the most out of strategy/race tactics (Verstappen gets away with this somewhat as the whole team coddle him and put all of their energies into him at the expense of everything including the other driver). It's why people have signed Ric and then he's drifted. You can see at Mcclaren the same thing is happening. On any day he shows he has the skill to win races in an inferior car, but the long game is lost on him and he sulks and goes into himself.
I do agree with you somewhat, I’m not at the extreme you are (and I know you’re using hyperbole when you say he’s basically mentally disabled). I think you hold his early years constant in your evaluation of him, whereas I think he’s grown in racing intelligence since Lauda said what he said. But he’s still no Lewis, but I think he has more raw talent than Lewis. I think when he’s 36 (should he make it that far) he will probably be a lot closer to Lewis than he is now. He still doesn’t have the temperament of Lewis so he won’t ever be the same but he’s going to keep learning as his experience grows.
put him in the Mercedes and Lewis in the Red Bull from the time max has been in F1 til now and I guarantee you that max has multiple F1 titles and Lewis has how many ever years that is fewer.
I’ll agree with you that he’s a bit thick…but to hold racing in f1 as a teenager/early 20s in the 5th-6th fastest car on the grid against him and say he’s underachieved because he hasn’t won a title is laughable. How many titles has Lewis won when he’s driving the 5th-6th best car on the grid? We’ve seen how he’s done so far this season with the 5th-6th fastest…and it’s not exactly pretty getting outrun by his brand new teammate every race.
Im also not a verstappen fanboy. He’s a bit too thick for my liking, though I don’t dislike him either. I like sainz, Norris, Russell and bottas for the most part
hayvis
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He literally just completed the race yesterday after putting in 75% of the fastest laps of the race. It was a GOAT drive. Lewis has been extremely unlucky and more experimental this season (as well as probably mentally struggling a bit). But that race yesterday, most people agree was the drive of the season by any driver.
It is impossible to compare him to Max's situation as it's all hypotheticals and you can also argue that the driver has a massive input as to how succesful a team can develop.
You also forget that in 2008 he wasn't in the best car at all and incidentally won in it at a younger age than Verstappen (Max has had the second best car plenty of times). Lewis also should have won it last year in a car that for 80% of the season was definitely inferior to Verstappen's according to Adrian Newey. These are the most comparible pieces of evidence that place him well ahead of Verstappen.
That Max is massively talented and not the most intelligent is something I firmly believe, but when it comes down to it, he's just not as good as Hamilton and never will be.
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hayvis
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The thing is, it's all opinion and I'm aware of that, but I always think that Verstappen has a far more showy driving style than Lewis and therefore to the naked eye of some people just looks impressive (when in actuall fact these impressive displays are actually a drawback - see Saudi 2021 where he looked amazing but stacked it into the wall because he wasn't aware of his own limits).
This is the opinion I most agree with on Lewis Hamilton, and can be the reason why he just doesn't get the credit because he's just a clean and unshowy driver -
Lewis Hamilton is the greatest Formula 1 driver of all time, says Murray Walker
Is Lewis Hamilton the greatest F1 driver in history?
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And I think he’ll find those limits as he ages, to me he’s pushing the boundaries of his talent and finding where the edge is. To me he’s just immature but he’s a prick so I understand why a lot of people see that as him being dumb.The thing is, it's all opinion and I'm aware of that, but I always think that Verstappen has a far more showy driving style than Lewis and therefore to the naked eye of some people just looks impressive (when in actuall fact these impressive displays are actually a drawback - see Saudi 2021 where he looked amazing but stacked it into the wall because he wasn't aware of his own limits).
This is the opinion I most agree with on Lewis Hamilton, and can be the reason why he just doesn't get the credit because he's just a clean and unshowy driver -
Lewis Hamilton is the greatest Formula 1 driver of all time, says Murray Walker
Is Lewis Hamilton the greatest F1 driver in history?www.givemesport.com
hayvis
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But this is the thing, he just never learns. I've heard him so many times describe his job as to drive a car as fast as possible - he literally doesn't get it and you can see his brain cranking over to come to this conclusion every time he has to talk about anything nuanced - And that absolutely is not how you win championships. It is much, much more complicated than that. You just know that Red Bull have to organise the team around him so much more than Lewis or someone else, because they have to kid glove him through everything (which is why the second driver position at Red Bull is so toxic). For the damage he does in this respect to the team alone, he's going to underachieve.