To be fair, intercollegiate football participation is like #97 on the priority list for how well an administration is running the university. For example, if a net athletics loss university like UAB (and 400 other schools) has to cut one degree program to continue to fund one particular sport (and its Title IX counterparts), that's kind of a farce.
I think everyone agrees with you there, but what I haven't been able to determine is if UAB football is profitable. At most all FBS schools, football makes money, and the Athletic Dept loses money on everything else except basketball at some big schools or some other random sports with strong support (hockey at a few schools, etc.).
Obviously if FB is profitable, especially if it also makes enough to offset the Title IX sports that it requires, then this is a ridiculous decision. And I have a feeling that's the reality, and this is not really a financial decision but rather a political decision.
In 2013 ~$18 million went to the UAB program from student fees and university funding. Out of total revenues of $28 million, 65% came from those sources, and only $1m from ticket sales. From 2005 - 2013, $93 million came directly from the school, with less than $10 million coming from tickets.
Does Saban get a Scrooge McDuck vault now?
I agree completely. However, this situation is ostensibly all about properly allocating money inside the athletics program and not about returning the money budgeted for football back into any academic or research programs.To be fair, intercollegiate football participation is like #97 on the priority list for how well an administration is running the university. For example, if a net athletics loss university like UAB (and 400 other schools) has to cut one degree program to continue to fund one particular sport (and its Title IX counterparts), that's kind of a farce.
If UAB had as many people going to the football games as they do going to rallies to save the program, they might have been fiscally viable.
Every dollar that went to UAB's program was a dollar that didn't go towards Roll Tide. Therefore, fuck UAB. Stick to producing quality doctors and having academic standards... leave the football to the folks in Tuscaloosa. Also, Legion Field is a shithole facility in the middle of the ghetto, and the last time I was there somebody stole my car antenna, even though the towel-waving gentleman who only charged me $35 to park on "his curb" promised me he'd "keep an eye on it." Honestly, who steals a fucking antenna?
If UAB had as many people going to the football games as they do going to rallies to save the program, they might have been fiscally viable.
Every dollar that went to UAB's program was a dollar that didn't go towards Roll Tide. Therefore, fuck UAB. Stick to producing quality doctors and having academic standards... leave the football to the folks in Tuscaloosa. Also, Legion Field is a shithole facility in the middle of the ghetto, and the last time I was there somebody stole my car antenna, even though the towel-waving gentleman who only charged me $35 to park on "his curb" promised me he'd "keep an eye on it." Honestly, who steals a fucking antenna?
If UAB had as many people going to the football games as they do going to rallies to save the program, they might have been fiscally viable.
Every dollar that went to UAB's program was a dollar that didn't go towards Roll Tide. Therefore, fuck UAB. Stick to producing quality doctors and having academic standards... leave the football to the folks in Tuscaloosa. Also, Legion Field is a shithole facility in the middle of the ghetto, and the last time I was there somebody stole my car antenna, even though the towel-waving gentleman who only charged me $35 to park on "his curb" promised me he'd "keep an eye on it." Honestly, who steals a fucking antenna?
@HachikoUAB football is still alive...
...in my dynasties, of course.
They should've just started up as a Div III program. I don't know why they went D1A right off the bat... it was never going to work. Well, maybe you're right and that's why they did it.Bama stacked the deck against them and when they failed it was "knew you couldn't do it" time
They should've just started up as a Div III program. I don't know why they went D1A right off the bat... it was never going to work. Well, maybe you're right and that's why they did it.
Why does the University of Alabama system, with 3 programs within a hundred miles of each other, need 3 D1A programs? Especially when two of them will NEVER be viable programs. I'm a taxpayer in the state, and I also give money to the UA system. And I don't think money from either of those sources is well spent propping up a UAB or UAH football program. This ain't intramurals, brother.They did start as a D-3 program for 2 years, then went to 1-AA for 2 years. They made that change when the NCAA required everyone to start playing every sport in the same division (some sports were grandfathered, but not FB or BB). There's plenty of quick to 1-A startups, and many have done fine. But none of them have had another university constantly undermining their attempts. UAB could have had a good program but for Bammer always undercutting them.
Seriously, Bammer caused UAB to fail with the two vetoed coaching hires and the stadium, then assholes like you turn around and blame UAB and say "we told you so." Where do you get off?
Why does the University of Alabama system, with 3 programs within a hundred miles of each other, need 3 D1A programs? Especially when two of them will NEVER be viable programs. I'm a taxpayer in the state, and I also give money to the UA system. And I don't think money from either of those sources is well spent propping up a UAB or UAH football program. This ain't intramurals, brother.
I was just being hyperbolic in an early post in this thread when I said this was about every dollar being spent on UAB football is a dollar not being spent on paying off Nick Saban's house. I had no clue I was so close to the truth.
Every dollar that went to UAB's program was a dollar that didn't go towards Roll Tide. Therefore, fuck UAB.
Seriously, this is so fucking bush league by Bammer. I don't see UT-Austin trying to shut down UTEP's program or forbidding UTSA from having a program. Because UT-Austin isn't so insecure as to expect everyone to be a supporter of their athletics, even though it's all the University of Texas System. I don't really get why a program with 354 national titles is insecure about a CUSA program.
I used to kind of like Alabama but you know what, fuck those guys. I hope they lose a ping pong match against Nazi Germany or whatever...
UAB won't separate. It's not worth the trouble even though they are the only thing keeping The state from being Mississippi.
They did start as a D-3 program for 2 years, then went to 1-AA for 2 years. They made that change when the NCAA required everyone to start playing every sport in the same division (some sports were grandfathered, but not FB or BB). There's plenty of quick to 1-A startups, and many have done fine. But none of them have had another university constantly undermining their attempts. UAB could have had a good program but for Bammer always undercutting them.
Seriously, Bammer caused UAB to fail with the two vetoed coaching hires and the stadium, then assholes like you turn around and blame UAB and say "we told you so." Where do you get off?
Riiiight. Cause UAB exists for football. Fuck the medical school, research hospitals, etc... Separate because of football.They should though. If you aren't going to get the proper resources/support from the people who are supposed to be your leaders, then the only choice you really have is to separate yourself from them and go it alone.
Dunno, Renegade was saying it's a new NCAA rule or something that all the sports had to be in the same division.So why is only 1 I-A program allowed in Bammer?
Dunno, Renegade was saying it's a new NCAA rule or something that all the sports had to be in the same division.
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Yeah, seems like a dumb rule.That rule came into existence back in the 90s that a school had to play all sports in the same division. It's why Georgetown is playing 1-AA non-scholly football instead of D-3. And it's why UAB had to move up to D-1. Admittedly they could have stuck at 1-AA, but they couldn't stay in D-3. It's also why the new startups like South Florida, South Alabama, Charlotte, etc. all started in 1-AA off the bat.
Hopkins is D1 in Lacrosse and D3 in all other sports.
Word. Was curious about the hockey school also. Couldn't find anything on the rule but was trying to research from my phone.
I thought the rule is you are allowed to play in a different division in one sport, which is why John Hopkins plays lacrosse at the top level.
In the early 21st century, a controversy arose in the NCAA over whether schools will continue to be allowed to have one showcased program in Division I with the remainder of the athletic program in a lower division, as is the case of, notably, Johns Hopkins University lacrosse as well as Colorado College and University of Alabama in Huntsville in ice hockey. This is an especially important issue in hockey, which has no Division II national championship and has several schools whose other athletic programs compete in Division II and Division III.
This controversy was resolved at the 2004 NCAA Convention in Nashville, Tennessee when the members supported Proposal 65-1, the amended legislation co-sponsored by Colorado College, Clarkson University, Hartwick College, the Johns Hopkins University,Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Rutgers University-Newark, St. Lawrence University, and SUNY Oneonta.[sup][65][/sup][sup][66][/sup] Each school affected by this debate is allowed to grant financial aid to student-athletes who compete in Division I programs in one men's sport and one women's sport. It is still permitted for other schools to place one men's and one women's sport in Division I going forward, but they cannot offer scholarships without bringing the whole program into compliance with Division I rules. In addition, schools in Divisions II and III are allowed to "play up" in any sport that does not have a championship for the school's own division, but only Division II programs and any Division III programs covered by the exemption can offer scholarships in those sports.
The Division I programs at each of the eight "waiver schools" which were grandfathered with the passing of Proposal 65-1 were:
- Clarkson University – men's and women's ice hockey
- Colorado College – men's ice hockey, women's soccer
- Hartwick College – men's soccer, women's water polo
- Johns Hopkins University – men's and women's lacrosse
- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute – men's ice hockey (women's ice hockey moved up to Division I in 2005)
- Rutgers University-Newark – men's volleyball (dropped to Division III in 2014)
- St. Lawrence University – men's and women's ice hockey
- SUNY Oneonta – men's soccer (dropped to Division III in 2006)
Hey, we're D2!Hopkins also got grandfathered in because they were playing D1 lax and D3 everything else since day 1. Same with a bunch ice hockey schools (Ferris St, Lake Superior St, UM-Duluth).
NCAA rules aside, UAB had to have D1 football to stay in Conference USA for basketball. Thank God they changed that bylaw and scuttling football won't lead to Blazer basketball being homeless. Wait....