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Completely Awful Nebraska Football Thread - LOL blackshits
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Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
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Spaceballs3000
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Outside containment must not be part of Pelini's defensive philosophy. That aside, I predict we lose to Iowa next week.
Bo's defensive philosophy is to have runs spill to the boundary, a perfectly sound defensive strategy......... when the people responsible to clean up the play when it gets there are capable of doing so. When a 160 pound cornerback is responsible for setting the edge of your defense, I think there is a little bit of a problem.
Just gotta execute tho right. It's execution. Who cares if he's 160 pounds trying to take on linemen, tight ends and backs that outweigh him by 50 pounds, just gotta execute.
I've been sick to my stomach over this since Saturday. I know I said this before during the Callahan years, but I'm actually convinced of it now...I don't think I am going to renew my season tickets. I have gone to all but 3 home games since the beginning of 2002. That is a whole lot of shitty football over the years....I am tired of paying good money for such a shitty product on the field.
I have never felt as hopeless and as frustrated as I did after the past two games. I feel like we have had the same exact season 7 years in a row...it's an utter mindfuck. Bo definitely needs to go...he's never going to get us over the hump. We will be spinning our wheels for the next two decades at this rate. Unfortunately, I don't know what the answer is. I think Nebraska is going to spin in obscurity for another 10 years or so before we find the right combination of coaching, dumb luck and momentum to get the Big Red machine rolling again. I honestly think the sellout streak ends next year if Pelini is back...there have been plenty of empty seats this year. At some point, the big donors are going to stop buying out the remaining tickets that keep this mythical streak alive.
Let's all face the fact that Nebraska football as we knew it died on black Friday in 2001. Steve Pederson and Callahan finished it off by driving a stake through the heart. The fanbase is still fractured over Solich/Pederson/Callahan. Pelini was the kick in the nuts that the program needed after Callahan/Cosgrove, but he reached his plateau by year 3. So what do we do? Do we fire another 9-3 coach? Does it go any differently this time? This is a dangerous, dark time for Nebraska.
I have never felt as hopeless and as frustrated as I did after the past two games. I feel like we have had the same exact season 7 years in a row...it's an utter mindfuck. Bo definitely needs to go...he's never going to get us over the hump. We will be spinning our wheels for the next two decades at this rate. Unfortunately, I don't know what the answer is. I think Nebraska is going to spin in obscurity for another 10 years or so before we find the right combination of coaching, dumb luck and momentum to get the Big Red machine rolling again. I honestly think the sellout streak ends next year if Pelini is back...there have been plenty of empty seats this year. At some point, the big donors are going to stop buying out the remaining tickets that keep this mythical streak alive.
Let's all face the fact that Nebraska football as we knew it died on black Friday in 2001. Steve Pederson and Callahan finished it off by driving a stake through the heart. The fanbase is still fractured over Solich/Pederson/Callahan. Pelini was the kick in the nuts that the program needed after Callahan/Cosgrove, but he reached his plateau by year 3. So what do we do? Do we fire another 9-3 coach? Does it go any differently this time? This is a dangerous, dark time for Nebraska.
Wooly
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I feel like in the current state of CFB, this is as good as Nebraska is going to be, except for an occasional blessed year where they have 2 losses and win the CCG. National title contention is probably behind them. Conf title contention will probably be a yearly possibility, but only because they are in the weaker of the two divisions. This is as far as they can take their situation now.
The only thing that can probably change that is:
1) A top coach that falls in their lap and gets more than you would expect from Nebraska natural resources.
2) Changes to CFB that allows teams to pay players (where the Big Ten has an advantage).
I don't see either of the two coming soon enough. 3-5 losses is the norm now for Nebraska, where they drop at least as many big games as they win.
The only thing that can probably change that is:
1) A top coach that falls in their lap and gets more than you would expect from Nebraska natural resources.
2) Changes to CFB that allows teams to pay players (where the Big Ten has an advantage).
I don't see either of the two coming soon enough. 3-5 losses is the norm now for Nebraska, where they drop at least as many big games as they win.
We can do much, much better than this. What we've done the last 7 years should be the base line. Beat the teams we should, lose the games we should, split the toss ups. That should be the base line of our success, 9-4 seasons should be our worst. This season was unacceptable though, this is the worst schedule we've played in a long time with the best talent we've had in a long time. There is no reason this team, with this schedule should be potentially staring at a 9-4 record.
Pelini is obviously capped at the usual 9-4, let's see if there is someone else who can take up up to consistent 10-2 seasons winning the B1G West consistently. Bo obviously can't do it, if he can't get it figured out this year, he isn't going to get it figured out any other year so no sense dicking around with this over and over. At worst, the next guy comes in and keeps churning out 9-4 seasons but maybe, just maybe he cranks out some really good B1G Championship seasons. I think it is worth the risk.
There are some great football coaches out there. Energetic, articulate coaches with a set identity and philosophy. That should be the goal.
Pelini is obviously capped at the usual 9-4, let's see if there is someone else who can take up up to consistent 10-2 seasons winning the B1G West consistently. Bo obviously can't do it, if he can't get it figured out this year, he isn't going to get it figured out any other year so no sense dicking around with this over and over. At worst, the next guy comes in and keeps churning out 9-4 seasons but maybe, just maybe he cranks out some really good B1G Championship seasons. I think it is worth the risk.
There are some great football coaches out there. Energetic, articulate coaches with a set identity and philosophy. That should be the goal.
Brick
Well-Known Member
start studying press conference tapes.
Dr. Shats Basoon
Closed mouths don't get fed
I'm liking what I read from this Justin Fuentes cat
RedmondLonghorn
#LOB
Geez, stop sounding so defeated.
If Baylor, fucking Baylor, can find a coach who can make them relevant, then Nebraska can do it too.
Schauwn
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Wooly
Well-Known Member
That was an unemotional and honest assessment, not whining.
Baylor is in the middle of the best recruiting area of the nation. When Baylor finally decided to take football seriously and put some money into the program (including marketing) they were finally able to tap into their superior natural resources comapared to Nebraska. Nebraska's "tradition capital" ran out over the past decade, it's used up and young players don't really see us as a tier I destination anymore. You may not know how Nebraska built and maintained their success in previous decades. If you are familiar with it you might see that the system they used before is not likely to be repeated in the current CFB landscape. Very different times back then.
You will also notice I said one of the two things that could reverse this would be a top flight coach.
BasinBictory
OUT with the GOUT
I think Nebraska is in the same boat with Notre Dame, Michigan, Oklahoma, and other colder-weather schools that still managed to build a name brand and history and exceed expectations based on the "natural resources" of their locations. In my view, all it really takes is that one outstanding coach to start winning, which draws more players, which increases the brand name power, which draws more money and resources, etc. Every big-time program that falls on hard times has similar laments about the "difficulty winning in today's CFB landscape," when the primary culprit is generally a piss-poor coach (or an unfortunate series of them) that has eroded the cachet of the program and infused the culture of the program with that sense of malaise and faded glory. Heck, I felt the same way about USC in the 90's, and I'm sure Notre Dame fans felt that way during the Willingham/Weis years.
Also, please elaborate on the bolded. I am curious.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
No, Nebraska is different than those schools. None of them are obviously in Texas, Ohio, California, or Florida, but they have plenty of talent nearby to get. Oklahoma isn't a terrible recruiting state, plus they can easily poach Texas. Notre Dame has Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan all close by. There's enough talent there. Michigan also has Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan isn't terrible, either. Plus Pennslyvania.
Nebraska, on the other hand, doesn't have any talent rich states close by. I guess maybe Missouri? If Nebraska wants to recruit at the level of those schools you mentioned, they have to travel far away. Nebraska doesn't have enough fertile recruiting ground nearby. They need a great coach to be able to be a great program now. It's hard to win national titles and conference titles when your best recruiting classes are rated around 20.
Nebraska, on the other hand, doesn't have any talent rich states close by. I guess maybe Missouri? If Nebraska wants to recruit at the level of those schools you mentioned, they have to travel far away. Nebraska doesn't have enough fertile recruiting ground nearby. They need a great coach to be able to be a great program now. It's hard to win national titles and conference titles when your best recruiting classes are rated around 20.
BasinBictory
OUT with the GOUT
And when they were winning titles in the 90's, a lot of their stars came from far away, no? Lawrence Philips was from California and Tommy Frazier was from Florida. When you're a nationally known brand, kids flock to you, location be dared. When Colorado won their title in 1990, their whole backfield was from the Los Angeles area. These are kids that you'd think would have attended USC/UCLA or another Pac-10 school, but because Colorado under McCartney was a hot program at the time, they went out there.
Also, I didn't know Illinois and Indiana were recruiting hotbeds.
Also, I didn't know Illinois and Indiana were recruiting hotbeds.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
They're not on the level of Ohio or Texas, but there is talent there. It's certainly better than Kansas or Colorado.
I mean, I do see your point, but there's also a reason that Colorado has sucked recently. And Nebraska hasn't been a national brand since 2001 basically. Sure, if they get a coach like McCartney or Osbourne, they'll be fine. But those are hall of fame coaches. So, yes, it's as easy as finding a hall of fame coach. You see what I'm saying here?
Really, we're saying the same thing. A great coach can win at any program, Nebraska included.
I mean, I do see your point, but there's also a reason that Colorado has sucked recently. And Nebraska hasn't been a national brand since 2001 basically. Sure, if they get a coach like McCartney or Osbourne, they'll be fine. But those are hall of fame coaches. So, yes, it's as easy as finding a hall of fame coach. You see what I'm saying here?
Really, we're saying the same thing. A great coach can win at any program, Nebraska included.
Florida can't win without a hof corch either. @whiteyc_77
RedmondLonghorn
#LOB
In fairness, they went to CU because they were all fleeing warrants for their arrest.
You're correct. During Nebraska's run in the 90s, and even going back into the very good teams of the 80s, most of our skill players came from out of state. We recruited the hell out of Florida, California, Texas, New Jersey, etc. Then we made sure to grab every single talented player Nebraska produced and we were good to go. The Nebraska teams of today can't even recruit their own state, which I think is the most damning thing about the current staff. A lot of very talented players that should automatically be going to Nebraska are leaving the state and going to places like Oregon and Kansas State.
There is no reason Nebraska couldn't follow that same blueprint now by bringing in established recruiters who can go into the south and Texas and California, pluck out a handful of really talented guys and then shore up local recruiting to make sure the few talented guys Nebraska produces don't leave. Another thing this staff has really failed to do is tap Iowa Western Community College, a very, VERY good CC program in our backyard. We haven't even sent a single coach to visit the place in 7 years. Tapping JUCO talent is vital to the success of Midwestern states without strong recruiting bases, look at the magic Bill Snyder pulls every year. Nebraska has had a handful of solid JUCO talents during Bo's time, but we could do far better.
I don't believe for a second that the recruiting strategy that got Nebraska to the top for nearly two decades couldn't work today, it just takes a bit more diligent work. Nebraska has everything it possibly needs to succeed. The money, facilities, the fan base... all it needs is a coach that can sell it to 18-22 year old kids. Bonus points if said coach doesn't scream at them over and over on national television. More bonus points if said coach's system isn't so complicated that players don't even know where to line up before the snap.
BasinBictory
OUT with the GOUT
LOL. Eric Bieniemy went to my high school. He graduated before I even got there, but I heard some interesting tales about him.
I did read an article some time ago that theorized about how and why USC sucked ass in the very early 90's. (And really, UCLA was also not that hot, either). The article speculated that the cresting wave of inner-city gang violence in the Los Angeles area throughout the 1980s and early 1990s influenced a lot of inner-city black athletes who used to fill the rosters at USC and UCLA to flee the city (or were encouraged/cajoled/pushed out by fearful parents) for places like Seattle, Tucson, Boulder, Berkeley, Tempe, Lincoln - basically anyplace where the danger and pull of gangs wouldn't be a daily concern. I thought the article was interesting, in a "Freakonomics" type of way, but as I remember it, while getting away from gang life might have been the case for a handful, the primary culprit behind SC sucking that bad then was Coach Larry Smith.
Smith was known as a strict disciplinarian who wanted his players to walk the straight and narrow path, and who was interested in their development as men and scholars, 
Karl Hungus
Here to fix the cable
So, Nebraska did just enough to win today. I am glad we beat Iowa...well, because fuck Iowa.
I am sure we will keep Pelini and we can look forward to another 9-4 season in 2015.
I am sure we will keep Pelini and we can look forward to another 9-4 season in 2015.
Plotty
Tath Meacher
So, Nebraska did just enough to win today. I am glad we beat Iowa...well, because fuck Iowa.
I am sure we will keep Pelini and we can look forward to another 9-4 season in 2015.
Yup. 9-4 is the new stamp of excellence in Nebraska. Great win yesterday.
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So, Nebraska did just enough to win today. I am glad we beat Iowa...well, because fuck Iowa.
I am sure we will keep Pelini and we can look forward to another 9-4 season in 2015.
Bo Pelini, doing juuuuust enough to keep his job since 2008.
I don't know how he does it. Every year there is one total derp-fest of a game that Nebraska some how manages to come from behind and win because the other team derped last. God dammit we are never going to get rid of this guy.
Spaceballs3000
Member
Bo Pelini was just fired.
Statement from Director of Athletics Shawn Eichorst: "Earlier this morning, I informed Coach Bo Pelini of our decision to move forward in a new direction. Coach Pelini served our University admirably for seven years and led our football program's transition to the Big Ten Conference. We wish Coach Pelini and his wonderful family all the best and thank him for his dedicated service to the University."
Read more at http://www.huskermax.com/games/2014/files/12pelini_out.html#VEUZ2QykItOBvVTv.99
Statement from Director of Athletics Shawn Eichorst: "Earlier this morning, I informed Coach Bo Pelini of our decision to move forward in a new direction. Coach Pelini served our University admirably for seven years and led our football program's transition to the Big Ten Conference. We wish Coach Pelini and his wonderful family all the best and thank him for his dedicated service to the University."
Read more at http://www.huskermax.com/games/2014/files/12pelini_out.html#VEUZ2QykItOBvVTv.99
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
- Givens Price @gprice78
What's the purpose of this meeting tonight then? To reiterate this foolishness I just woke up to?
Michael Rose-Ivey @Rose_IveyNB15
Spaceballs3000
Member
Yeah it looks like some of the players are pretty upset. Not surprising at all, everyone knew he was well liked by players.
Well, as much as I think this was the right decision, it is still sad. There will be fallout, there will be controversy...that was inevitable. For as much shit as I give him, Bo isn't a bad guy. He isn't a terrible head coach. He's not Callahan, but Nebraska can do better.
I hope that Shawn Eichorst has the right guy lined up in his back pocket. We can't afford to fuck this up again.
I hope that Shawn Eichorst has the right guy lined up in his back pocket. We can't afford to fuck this up again.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
Players should shut the fuck up and play better if they want Pelini to stay their coach. Their implosion against Wisconsin was ridiculous. Losing to Minnesota, ugh. Nebraska really should have been 11-1 and playing Ohio State in the championship game. Or at least 10-2.
I can see why players would be upset, but ultimately they have a lot of responsibility for coaches being fired.
I kinda wish we would go with Paul Johnson.
My thoughts exactly. The players running their mouths instead of doing their jobs is part of the reason their coach is fired. Do your fucking job.
This team is filled with soft minded whiners who face adversity and let adversity slap them in the face over and over again. You play for Nebraska, you do not play for Bo Pelini. Did these guys really enjoy getting thrashed on national television over and over? For such a tough, stubborn head coach, Bo Pelini presided over the softest Nebraska team I've ever witnessed and I was here for Callahan's teams.
I'm sure a bunch will want to transfer and some recruits will de-commit, but honestly I don't care. If you're not 100% committed to this football program, get the fuck out. You play for Nebraska, not Bo Pelini or whoever the next guy is. Either step up and help lead for the next guy or crumble under the pressure of adversity AGAIN and leave.
Now all that said, my list of replacements:
1) Dan Mullen - My top candidate for the last three years, even before he turned Mississippi State into a good program. Maybe them not making the playoff will help convince him to leave.
2) Joe Moglia - CEO-type who has dominated at Coastal Carolina since he got the job, has a small Nebraska tie, would hire beast coordinators because he wouldn't take a significant salary.
3) Willie Fritz - What he's done at Georgia Southern is damn near magical, runs a pistol/gun triple option offense which I think would fit Nebraska fairly well. Also a midwestern guy with ties to Texas which should help recruiting.
4) Scott Frost - I'd rather him be the OC under any of the 3 guys above, but if that isn't possible, I'd rather Frost be at Nebraska than not at Nebraska. He'll get a head job soon enough.
5) Jim McElwain - The buyout is way too much, but if we can pay it, why not?
6) Mark Hudspeth - Dude is an incredible football coach, has done wonders at ULL. Not sure he'd make the trek north since he's a southern guy, but he deserves a bigger opportunity. Ideally, it'll be at Mississippi State when Mullen comes to Nebraska.
1) Dan Mullen - My top candidate for the last three years, even before he turned Mississippi State into a good program. Maybe them not making the playoff will help convince him to leave.
2) Joe Moglia - CEO-type who has dominated at Coastal Carolina since he got the job, has a small Nebraska tie, would hire beast coordinators because he wouldn't take a significant salary.
3) Willie Fritz - What he's done at Georgia Southern is damn near magical, runs a pistol/gun triple option offense which I think would fit Nebraska fairly well. Also a midwestern guy with ties to Texas which should help recruiting.
4) Scott Frost - I'd rather him be the OC under any of the 3 guys above, but if that isn't possible, I'd rather Frost be at Nebraska than not at Nebraska. He'll get a head job soon enough.
5) Jim McElwain - The buyout is way too much, but if we can pay it, why not?
6) Mark Hudspeth - Dude is an incredible football coach, has done wonders at ULL. Not sure he'd make the trek north since he's a southern guy, but he deserves a bigger opportunity. Ideally, it'll be at Mississippi State when Mullen comes to Nebraska.
Plz buy mccelwein... plz plz plz.
Spaceballs3000
Member
Interesting read from a Oregon site about Scott Frost
http://oregon.247sports.com/Article/Is-Scott-Frost-Ready-for-a-Move-to-Head-Coach-33411768#comments
http://oregon.247sports.com/Article/Is-Scott-Frost-Ready-for-a-Move-to-Head-Coach-33411768#comments
Sounds like Florida is going to take that plunge, more power to them.
Lightningwar
Administrator
I dont see why Mullen would leave MSU. I think Scott Frost may be your best option.
Bucksin04
Well-Known Member
The Associated Press getting to the bottom of the real story here.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8562...op25&utm_source=SocialFlow&utm_medium=Twitter
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8562...op25&utm_source=SocialFlow&utm_medium=Twitter
Lightningwar
Administrator
Meh the chance to be a power in SEC country vs Lincoln? I could see him bolting to Gainsville. I'd be really surprised if he bolts to Lincoln.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
MSU is never going to be a power in the SEC, especially in that division. Unless the programs at Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, and, heck, Daddy A&M, get wiped out. Mullen could throw together a bunch of 10 win seasons and be a god at MSU, but they're never going to be competing year in and year out with those programs. It's historically a below .500 program. If Mullen wants to move to an elite program, he should do it now.
Spaceballs3000
Member
I love what he tweeted yesterday "this isn't what I meant by execution you imbeciles"
RedmondLonghorn
#LOB
Maybe he should have been
Yep, Mullen has Mississippi State capped out. If ever he were to jump ship to a top tier program, this would be it. As great of a job as he has done at MSU, there is only so much you can do. No matter how great MSU is, they are still getting the castoffs from Bama, Auburn and the rest of the SEC powers and they damn near ran him out of town last year.
I would kill to have him here.