Bruce Wayne
Well-Known Member
Clearly @whiteyc_77 doesn't understand SEC, and don't call me Shirley.
Think about why you find the comparison so absurd. Are you saying if that is a 4 game series that it isn't possible to be a split?
Are you saying that TCU = Bama, OU = AU, UT = aTm, WVU = LSU or are you saying in a tournament of those teams, it is likely it ends up 50/50 SEC v B12?
If it's the former, no way in hell. Even if I grant you OU = AU (fair comparison) and UT = aTm (lol no), there is no metric, ranking, rating or "eye test" that would put TCU anywhere close to Bama or West Virginia anywhere close to LSU.
Mizzou about to win the SEC East again.
What's that 2 out of 3 years they've been a member. Whew.
Think about why you are so adamant that Daddy is better than UT and why LSU is so superior to WV.
Seriously, what's your logic?
Given those advanced metrics, how could both rankings have Baylor ahead of Mississippi State?
UT > aTm at this point. Wish they still played so we could see tho.
Both Sagarin and FPI have Baylor ranked ahead of Mississippi State overall, but my comments were purely on the subject of strength of schedule which isn't even remotely comparable.
If you are using a set of rankings to justify your argument, and those rankings have Auburn as #6, LSU as #12, and Arkansas as #17, then those rankings are terribly flawed. Something is very, very wrong with your formulas if that is what your rankings are spitting out.
-YTC
Team (previous week)
1. Alabama (1)
2. Oregon (2)
3. Ohio State (3)
4. Mississippi State (5)
5. TCU (6)
6. Georgia (8)
7. Florida State (7)
8. Baylor (9)
9. Auburn (10)
10. Ole Miss (4)
Next five: Oklahoma, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, UCLA, LSU
LSU, the team that scored a combined 20 points in the past 3 games? Yeah, they'd fit right in the Big Ten.
I really love his bowling partner. I wonder what happened to that haircut?
If you are using a set of rankings to justify your argument, and those rankings have Auburn as #6, LSU as #12, and Arkansas as #17, then those rankings are terribly flawed. Something is very, very wrong with your formulas if that is what your rankings are spitting out.
-YTC
Now we are getting somewhere. Sagarin is ranking based on who the best teams are, while reasonable people are interested in the most deserving teams.
Listening to Sirius XM this morning, and Greg McElroy was asked why he would rank Mississippi State ahead of Baylor, when both have awful non-con schedules, and Baylor has better wins right now. His answer?
The eyetest.
-YTC
No.Crappy undefeated ND got blasted in the NCG. To what extent should we care more about who is the best team vs most deserving based on resume? Half the top 10 could've beaten ND that year if given the chance, but ND got that championship game berth because undefeated.
would people have been okay with leaving an undefeated team out though?
Isn't the point of a playoff to put the BEST team in? Not necessarily the most deserving? Deserving hasn't gotten us very far in the past.
The bolded part is not an accurate premise. I understand it is not your opinion, it was the opinion of the person asking the question, but the premise is flawed. I showed you exactly how and why. There is no metric anywhere that ranks Baylor's schedule or wins ahead of Mississippi State. That is all I am talking about. You called McElroy out for using the "eyetest" when you're making an argument solely based on your own eyetest, that you think Baylor's schedule and wins are better than Mississippi State. There are no numbers, stats or metrics available that support that so in reality, you are falling into the same trap you called McElroy out for using.
Not once have I argued that Mississippi State is better than Baylor or that one is more deserving of a playoff spot than the other, my sole point here is to explain how and why the premise of your original post is flawed. Now, if you want to talk about who is more deserving of a playoff spot, then we can do that. That said, I don't think there are many reasonable people who would put Baylor over MSU.
Yeah I think we'll see an 8 team playoff sooner rather than later. Especially if this year continues on its current path. If Bama, Oregon, Florida State, Mississippi State, TCU, Ohio State and Baylor all win out, which is not unreasonable, an awful lot of 11-1 teams are going to be watching the playoff from home. This year is shaping up to be the best thing that could have happened to a CFB Playoff. Some very good, qualified teams will be left out and we'll find ourselves at 8 teams pretty quickly.
Assuming all 7 of those teams win out and say Michigan State is the 8th best team, how great would this look:
1 - Alabama
8 - Michigan State
2 - Oregon
7 - Baylor
3 - Florida State
6 - Ohio State
4 - Mississippi State
5 - TCU
That is one hell of a first round.
Yeah, I'm sure they'll stop at 8.
-YTC
What 17 years are you talking about, and what system?Deserving got us everywhere in the past. And God bless that wonderful system that only screwed up once in 17 years.
-YTC
What 17 years are you talking about, and what system?
You think the BCS got it right every year but one? So you think they correctly narrowed it down to the two correct teams every year but one? How do you know that? Did you get to see these other teams play each other?The BCS, and I misspoke. It was 16 years.
-YTC
You think the BCS got it right every year but one? So you think they correctly narrowed it down to the two correct teams every year but one? How do you know that? Did you get to see these other teams play each other?
I don't think CFB has gotten in right very often in its history, whether that is the BCS era, the bowl era, etc. I do not think the CFB regular season is sufficient for getting it right when you either 1) vote on just two teams or 2) pick bowl teams based on corporate interests.
As I posted at length just above, we rarely know the best or most deserving team is, but we can usually narrow it down to a handful of teams. CFB has never done that, so I doubt they get it right very often. Getting it right also involves teams playing to determine outcomes, instead of people voting for outcomes. This was worse before a playoff. It will get even better with an 8 team playoff.
The BCS was an improvement from the system before them but it definitely had issues more than one year. It didn't necessarily get it wrong per se, but leaving out teams like 2004 Utah and Auburn, 2006 Boise State, 2008 USC, 2009 Florida, TCU, Boise State, and Cincy, 2010 TCU, 2012 Oregon, etc. was not "wonderful."