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But then Alabama joins sun belt .
Good. If we are really going to have 100+ teams in the same division, then the traditional powers should spread themselves out more. Either that or we split the 100+ teams into two divisions. Either way mid majors will at least have something to play for beyond pride.
Anyway, going undefeated is hard no matter what conference you play in, which is why so few teams go undefeated in any given year. An undefeated mid-major team did as much to earn their spot as any team with a loss (or multiple losses).
An undefeated team literally is a special snowflake.
bruin
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five Pac-12 South teams in the top 20. One less than the entire SEC.
obvi Pac-12 South > NFC East
Lightningwar
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Their OOC is already the Sun Belt. They may as well go for broke. Bring MSU with them.
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
Math fails you. Need 12 teams for 6 bowls, even tho some garbage ACC team will take the Orange Bowl spot.
Brick
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This tcu v Baylor argument shit is making my head fucking explode.
If anyone think scheduling Minnesota at home and beating them is some badge of honor, they should quit life.
EYE TEST DOE
Baylor has bitch slapped everyone but wvu and tcu. Ohio state and tcu struggled against two terrible teams in Indiana and Kansas the past two weeks.
If Baylor pwns ksu the last week of the season, I'd have them in over either of those teams.
I don't care what osu has done since. They were owned at home by a terrible team who couldn't score in regulation against wake forest. That should effectively count as two losses. The big ten is an awful league this year. Gtfo
If anyone think scheduling Minnesota at home and beating them is some badge of honor, they should quit life.
EYE TEST DOE
Baylor has bitch slapped everyone but wvu and tcu. Ohio state and tcu struggled against two terrible teams in Indiana and Kansas the past two weeks.
If Baylor pwns ksu the last week of the season, I'd have them in over either of those teams.
I don't care what osu has done since. They were owned at home by a terrible team who couldn't score in regulation against wake forest. That should effectively count as two losses. The big ten is an awful league this year. Gtfo
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Lightningwar
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Bama is right there with MSU. They are 1-1 vs top 25 competition.
Wooly
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I don't agree with saying OSU struggled with Indiana. Games are 4 quarters long, and OSU handled them easily by the end. FSU struggled for a full four quarters, that is what struggling is.
Brick
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@Wooly
ohio state, oregon, and mississippi state all played dead-last teams with combined 0-23 conference records yesterday.
oregon won 44-10. mariota sat out 4th Q.
msu beat vandy 51-0. prescott sat out 4th Q.
tOSU was only up 21-20 going into the 4Q.
amended to "struggled for 3.5 Q". you're right. but given their terrible loss and poor schedule, tOSU could afford to play better when this is pretty much a beauty contest for the one loss teams. fair or not.
ohio state, oregon, and mississippi state all played dead-last teams with combined 0-23 conference records yesterday.
oregon won 44-10. mariota sat out 4th Q.
msu beat vandy 51-0. prescott sat out 4th Q.
tOSU was only up 21-20 going into the 4Q.
amended to "struggled for 3.5 Q". you're right. but given their terrible loss and poor schedule, tOSU could afford to play better when this is pretty much a beauty contest for the one loss teams. fair or not.
Lightningwar
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Ironically FSU struggled in the second half. The first half they actually looked pretty good. FSU scored on 3 of 4 posessions. Unfortunately two FSU mistakes turned the game from 20 or 24-3 to 17-10 FSU lead at half time.
Lightningwar
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BC is an avg team. But they are a run heavy team that gives our defense fits and slows the game down. 220 pound linebackers require a dominant line. Our line hasn't been dominant this year. The rain played into their favor as well. And terribly stupid penalties on our part. Like that gif of Matthew Thomas hitting their QB on a 3rd and long incompletion. That would had got our defense off the field in the second half. Instead they grind out 5-6 more plays and score a TD. Game was really annoying. First time all year we looked good in the first half. Only to lay an egg in the second.
We had 8 possessions minus the end of half where we ran out the clock and scored on 4 of them and an missed FG which would had been 5 of 8. We only punted twice and threw an interception. When a team slows the game down like that it takes away the ability to run the score up. But we had our opportunities and sucked ass. Dropped TD, Interception, and the miss FG left 10 points on the field and lead to 7 of theirs.
First time in years I have seen our defense physically beat though. They were winded and I have no idea how we finally forced them to try that FG in the 4th which they luckily missed.
We had 8 possessions minus the end of half where we ran out the clock and scored on 4 of them and an missed FG which would had been 5 of 8. We only punted twice and threw an interception. When a team slows the game down like that it takes away the ability to run the score up. But we had our opportunities and sucked ass. Dropped TD, Interception, and the miss FG left 10 points on the field and lead to 7 of theirs.
First time in years I have seen our defense physically beat though. They were winded and I have no idea how we finally forced them to try that FG in the 4th which they luckily missed.
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Wooly
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Oh yeah, OSU had better be playing better if they want to get in, especially given the perception and how an OSU team struggling is more of a story than other teams struggling. I couldn't help but notice that at one point ESPN was reporting "the story of the day has been OSU struggling against Indiana". It just seems a but much.
I am not knocking FSU for struggling pe se, they played what looks like a decent team in BC, but I was pointing out that they did in fact struggle, right up to the end of the game, yet it was OSU that was mentioned while evaluating playoff hopefuls. If I am going to focus on a team struggling it would be that, since it has happened for several weeks, and they look more and more beatable as the season wears on. You have to think FSU is going to drop one sooner later living on the edge like they do. OSU was on a roll for weeks until Indiana. What you really take away from all of this is: people see what they want to see to justify the ends they already have in their heads. That if CFB to a T. You start the year with pre-season rankings, and the rest of the year is a game of rationalization to prove to yourself that you were right all along.
A note on FSU in general. I was impressed by the physicality of many of their players, but underwhelmed in the outcome of the play. Is it just me or does it seem like they have a lot of physical talent that doesn't know how to play. It seems like they are living off their talent with mediocre execution. What will happen when they play a team of their own caliber, like in a playoff?
Wooly
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I watched the roughing the passer on Thomas, and several clips since. I just don't understand what he was doing. It looked like an intentional, but half-assed attempt at knocking out a QB. He hit the guy straight on with his helmet, with no attempt to tackle (no arms out to tackle), like a head butt basically. However, he looked reluctant while doing it, like he wasn't really sure (which is why it seems all the more intentional). He didn't run and launch as fast and hard as you would have expected, instead just ran up and head butted him in clear view of everyone. If you are going to blatantly take out a QB, you get your moneys worth. You launch and give that kid a concussion. Get the win and preserve your undefeated season, even if it means sitting out several games, if you are going to bother at all. Instead all Thomas did was extent the drive and miss about a games worth of playing time. Did he make any statement about why he did it?
Brick
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The biggest sham in the poll is Georgia at #9.
That blowout loss to Florida is one of the worst losses of the year by a "top" team. They also lost to South Carolina.
Yet they are above Michigan state who lost to #2 on the road and #6.
And #12 Kansas state who only lost to #5 and #15.
Not to mention other two loss teams like Wisconsin, Arizona.
That blowout loss to Florida is one of the worst losses of the year by a "top" team. They also lost to South Carolina.
Yet they are above Michigan state who lost to #2 on the road and #6.
And #12 Kansas state who only lost to #5 and #15.
Not to mention other two loss teams like Wisconsin, Arizona.
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Lightningwar
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I think having a 3rd D-coordinator in 3 years finally caught up to us. Charles Kelly is not Mark Stoops or Jeremy Pruitt. Also people may not realize how many true freshman are playing out there. At times we have 3 true freshman on our defensive line. On offense we have 2 true freshman recievers, RB, and now left tackle. And Mario Pender is for the most part a freshman as well. Before moving Erving to center we had a redshirt freshman playing center. This imo shows up in the consistency part of our game. Why we will dominate parts of the game but not the entirety of it all. Too many guys who were playing highschool a year ago and are still learning the game and how to win at this level.
Lightningwar
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yeah I dont get it neither. Frustration got the better of him? He knew this was going to be a penalty and was half thinking it over while going through the action of hitting him? Those types of plays annoy the hell out of me because they are 100% preventable. It isnt a WR running across the middle and the player has .1 milisecond to react and the ref decides it was a helmet to helmet and he is ejected. That play by Thomas reminded me of Clemsons safety last year launching himself at Winston. That one was even more blatent than this one. He was ejected. And it was even dumber because FSU was up 35-7 at that point.
Lightningwar
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SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. Flazzu
2. Oregon
3. Baylor
4. Alabama
5. TCU
6. UCLA
7. Arizona
8. anOSU
9. Kansas State
10. Colorado State
11. Mississippi State
Then some combination of: Sparty, UGA, Wisky, ASU
-YTC
2. Oregon
3. Baylor
4. Alabama
5. TCU
6. UCLA
7. Arizona
8. anOSU
9. Kansas State
10. Colorado State
11. Mississippi State
Then some combination of: Sparty, UGA, Wisky, ASU
-YTC
Schauwn
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I'd be okay with this top 4.
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
Get to play Rutgers in Dallas. Mebbe
This is my favorite thing. Not only are they undefeated, but they've largely blown out everyone they've played with an average margin of victory of like 30 points, and yet they literally aren't even in the discussion. Look at the playoff rankings and you've got 3 loss juggernauts like Minnesota, Louisville, Clemson, OU, USC, Utah, etc ahead of them. I think they'd seriously take a 6-6 SEC team over an undefeated Marshall.
They could expand the playoffs to 64 teams and the Lizards would still find a way to exclude mid-major schools.
I hope they blow the fucking doors off some "disappointed team" in a worthless bowl.
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
If the committee judges them to be the best of the nonocartel conference champions, they get a trip to one of the CFP affiliated bowls. Probably Peach bowl vs Georgia or Cotton Bowl vs the Big 12 runner up.
Listening to Sirius XM this morning, and Greg McElroy was asked why he would rank Mississippi State ahead of Baylor, when both have awful non-con schedules, and Baylor has better wins right now. His answer?
The eyetest.
-YTC
The eyetest.
-YTC
Brick
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mississippi state's defense sucks: http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/team/430/total/defense/gamelog.html
not as bad as oregon's. but oregon has mariota.
prescott has tailed off pretty significantly. tenn-martin and vandy barely qualify as football teams. his last four games against reel opponents he has thrown 5 touchdowns to 8 interceptions. http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/player/430/1040385/passing/gamelog.html
of all the teams being considered right now with one losses, i'd pick them as an opponent over anyone else with no hesitation.
thinking they lose egg bowl anyway doe.
not as bad as oregon's. but oregon has mariota.
prescott has tailed off pretty significantly. tenn-martin and vandy barely qualify as football teams. his last four games against reel opponents he has thrown 5 touchdowns to 8 interceptions. http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/player/430/1040385/passing/gamelog.html
of all the teams being considered right now with one losses, i'd pick them as an opponent over anyone else with no hesitation.
thinking they lose egg bowl anyway doe.
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Lightningwar
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Im hoping bama and MSU lose to send ESecPN into melt down mode.
That's a pretty stupid answer but since when does Baylor have better wins than Mississippi State?
Baylor has two wins against ranked teams and a loss to a 5 loss team. Mississippi State has three wins against ranked teams (all top 10) and a loss to a top 5 team. I personally think Mississippi State loses on the road to Ole Miss so it won't end up mattering, but there aren't many arguments right now in favor of Baylor over Mississippi State.
kingssc
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That's a pretty stupid answer but since when does Baylor have better wins than Mississippi State?
Baylor has two wins against ranked teams and a loss to a 5 loss team. Mississippi State has three wins against ranked teams (all top 10) and a loss to a top 5 team. I personally think Mississippi State loses on the road to Ole Miss so it won't end up mattering, but there aren't many arguments right now in favor of Baylor over Mississippi State.
Baylor has wins over the (per AP, we'll see what CFP says tomorrow) #6 and #20 teams, Mississippi State has a win over the #15 team.
Don't give us that time that they played ranking horseshit
It isn't my bullshit, it is the Sagarin rankings' bullshit. Which by the way has Baylor ahead of Mississippi State overall. You'll excuse me if I don't give a whole lot of credit to the votes of the Associated Press.
You can argue for Baylor over Mississippi State all you want, but there is no one on earth who could argue that Baylor has played tougher schedule than Mississippi State without sounding like an idiot.
Think about why you find the comparison so absurd. Are you saying if that is a 4 game series that it isn't possible to be a split?