Conference Excretion Thread

[Travis7401]

Objectively speaking, BYU is the best single team for the Big XII to add. There is really no good reason they aren't in a P5 conference, as they've always been and always will be a relevant football program. After that you've got a bunch of teams that all bring something less to the table. I think Boise has the best current brand of all the remaining teams, but there are legitimate concerns about what happens when Boise isn't good at football (more than there were with TCU). At least TCU will always have proximity going for them if their football program cycles to the bottom.

Now from my non-objective fan view, the reason I honestly think CSU has a better chance to join the Big XII than UCF/Memphis/Cincinnati/etc, is the historical tie to the Denver/Colorado market and to provide a logical bridge/pair/rival with BYU (although the same could be said for Boise). Plus CSU did just commit to building a brand new stadium and are enjoying current success, so they look to be headed in a promising direction at least. This is honestly the only time I could ever possibly seeing CSU joining a P5 conference, because it is a perfect storm of having a good stadium, excitement around the program, and the Big XII in desperation mode to add two teams because they just got fucked by the playoff.

 

[Renegade]

Is BYU going to be successful in a P5 conference? They already land most every top Mormon player (they miss on one here and there like Teo, but not many). What's their actual growth potential to improve and be able to win against that level of competition every week? We saw how much Utah struggled in a move to the Pac-12, and Utah can recruit better players to get better...I'm not sure BYU can.

 

[Travis7401]

It depends on how you define "successful." I think Utah has done very well since joining the Pac XII, certainly better than CU who was a already a P5 team before coming over. I'd say they'd certainly be capable of regularly getting to bowl games and at least being in the hunt for conference championship game apperances late in the season. I think they are even capable of winning the occasional conference championship in the Big XII (hell, TCU and Baylor are winning them now). They've got more resources than several current Big XII teams.

 

[Renegade]

It depends on how you define "successful." I think Utah has done very well since joining the Pac XII, certainly better than CU who was a already a P5 team before coming over. I'd say they'd certainly be capable of regularly getting to bowl games and at least being in the hunt for conference championship game apperances late in the season. I think they are even capable of winning the occasional conference championship in the Big XII (hell, TCU and Baylor are winning them now). They've got more resources than several current Big XII teams.

TCU benefited from the conference upgrade, and Baylor got its coaching situation right. BYU is like an 8 to 9 win team right now playing a mostly G5 schedule. What makes anyone think they get through 8-10 P5 games every year with a really good record? They can't significantly upgrade their talent base, which was my original point, and it's very difficult to play a P5 team every week with lesser talent and win. It's one thing to pull an upset once or twice a season or match up with mid to lower teams, but BYU is at best going 4-4 in Big 12 play most years unless someone can tell where they're getting better talent from.

 

[Travis7401]

Any team joining a P5 conference at this time has "middle of the road" expectations at best. I mean that's kind of the nature of the game this late. I also think the MWC is >>> than the rest of the G5 conferences and that means their 8-9 win average probably only drops to a 7-8 win average, because they'll adjust their OOC schedule as well (instead of playing P5 teams OOC they'll play lower level teams). The MWC is far closer in quality to the Big X and Big XII than they are to the Sunbelt or MAC. So even going 4-4 in conference on average they are still looking at 7-8 wins. Just this year they played 3 P5 teams in their OOC schedule and beat all of them (Texas, Virginia, California). They lost three conference games because the MWC has a tough group at the top recently.

I also disagree with your statement that "TCU benefited from the conference upgrade" as if it is some anomaly. Every team is going to "benefit" from a conference upgrade, by definition. As far as success goes, TCU has been playing great football for over a decade. The played great football in the MWC and they transitioned very nicely into the Big XII. I'd expect BYU to have a similar transition to what Utah/TCU have experienced (successful). I also think BYU is better equipped for that transition than Utah was.

I'll put it this way, who is better equipped than BYU?

 

[Dr. Shats Basoon]

If i'm the Big XII the absolute first university I look at is BYU
They are a national brand in a region that isn't currently captured by the Big XII. They are also well-rounded athletically and academically. In addition, the geographic difference isn't nearly as big of an issue as it was with WVU. It is still a long distance from the rest of the schools, but close enough that it is still within the big XII footprint, I would say.

If this was a video game, the next step imo would be UCF. They are a huge institution in a fertile recruiting ground. The sky is the limits for UCF really. The drawback is it is a very long way away from the rest of the members of the Big XII. I think we need to be realistic in regards to cost. Most of the programs lose money and it is only going to get worse if you add in the cost for travel for all the events and what not.

Realistically, I think the next best choice is Colorado State. as Travis said you capture that Denver footprint. It is also closer than Boise and again, would be a good fit if you are already including BYU. I know the Bball team is solid and the football team is doing well with potential. not sure about any other team but the biggest boon is the proximity of the university.

Boise is another option but again I think the geographic stratification would start to be a barrier.

I'm only speaking from personal experience, but I think it is in conference's best interest to try as much as possible to keep their members in close geographic proximity. Nebraska used to play KU, KSU, ISU and all of those schools were within a 3 hour drive. Add in Colorado and Missouri at a 5-6 hour drive and you could realistically go to any road game.

Now, the closest is Iowa at 4+ hours and every other school is farther.

Edit: and I think the additions of Rutgers and Maryland to the B1G, Colorado to the Pac-12 it's clear that the conferences are after population moreso than a competitive team.

This is why the Pac-12 hasn't picked up Boise. They only thing Boise brings to the table is football. and I think they have a trucking school too

 

[doh]

TCU benefited from the conference upgrade, and Baylor got its coaching situation right. BYU is like an 8 to 9 win team right now playing a mostly G5 schedule. What makes anyone think they get through 8-10 P5 games every year with a really good record? They can't significantly upgrade their talent base, which was my original point, and it's very difficult to play a P5 team every week with lesser talent and win. It's one thing to pull an upset once or twice a season or match up with mid to lower teams, but BYU is at best going 4-4 in Big 12 play most years unless someone can tell where they're getting better talent from.

I disagree. BYU probably goes undefeated this year if Taysom Hill's leg doesn't break in half. I do think their talent right now is good enough to win 4-5 and every 3-4 years vie for a conference title. Maybe they need to upgrade a little in terms of talent but facilities, fan base, HFA, other sports wise they are already P5 quality and probably better than more than half the teams.

Utah did struggle to start but this year they had a very good year int he Pac. They've beaten Stanford two straight years. They're certainly turning a corner like TCU has this year (and IMO Boise would after a couple years in the Big XII).

I'd see Boise go Big Sky or Big West if they left the MWC. I think they'd be great for the Big XII from the standpoint of they really need more quality wins and Boise brings that.

If travel for olympic sports is really a big factor, then Cincy would be by far the best fit because you could make it a DH with WVU for any team that goes up there.

 

[silverwheels]

big 12 should have added louisville when they had the chance, if the interest from UL was genuine. pretty sure DeLoss said no, so we ended up with TCU. but if we could have added WVU, Louisville, Cincy, and Pitt all together without TCU, that would have been cool. at least no one would have been on an island out there

 

[R2D2]

Add BYU, and Notre Dame FB only. Army, and ODU join AAC. UMass to the C-USA. Fuck the independents!

 

[Renegade]

I love all this "BYU had their chance" type of talk. Like BYU overplayed their hand or flat out told the Big XII no during the last round of expansion. BYU was never offered. From all the reports I saw, the conference wanted to keep the door open to possibly playing on Sundays if they wanted to. I know there are other stories out there, but not from anything credible that I ever found. I also know that there are stories out right now basically saying BYU had their chance. But again, nothing from any viable sources that I've been able to see.

Given that, BYU has an uphill climb. But I think they have things to offer and can keep other teams from losing the TV revenue which is really important to them. If they aren't talking to their friends in the conference right now, they are idiots.

Semantics. The Big 12 talked with BYU, and they couldn't get around the Sunday scheduling issue among other things. So there was never a formal offer, because that's never made until all details are agreed upon, but BYU couldn't come to an agreement with the conference based on the media sources at the time.

 

[Renegade]

Any team joining a P5 conference at this time has "middle of the road" expectations at best. I mean that's kind of the nature of the game this late. I also think the MWC is >>> than the rest of the G5 conferences and that means their 8-9 win average probably only drops to a 7-8 win average, because they'll adjust their OOC schedule as well (instead of playing P5 teams OOC they'll play lower level teams). The MWC is far closer in quality to the Big X and Big XII than they are to the Sunbelt or MAC. So even going 4-4 in conference on average they are still looking at 7-8 wins. Just this year they played 3 P5 teams in their OOC schedule and beat all of them (Texas, Virginia, California). They lost three conference games because the MWC has a tough group at the top recently.

I also disagree with your statement that "TCU benefited from the conference upgrade" as if it is some anomaly. Every team is going to "benefit" from a conference upgrade, by definition. As far as success goes, TCU has been playing great football for over a decade. The played great football in the MWC and they transitioned very nicely into the Big XII. I'd expect BYU to have a similar transition to what Utah/TCU have experienced (successful). I also think BYU is better equipped for that transition than Utah was.

I'll put it this way, who is better equipped than BYU?

No, it's not an anomaly. TCU benefited from the conference upgrade in recruiting. My point is that BYU won't do that, because they're already getting 95% of Mormon football players. They get a few non-Mormon players, but not many, and that intake isn't likely to significantly increase just because they're in a higher conference -- there's only so many kids that want to go college in that environment. BYU is basically a 6-8 win team in the Big 12 and nothing else.

If i'm the Big XII the absolute first university I look at is BYU
They are a national brand in a region that isn't currently captured by the Big XII. They are also well-rounded athletically and academically. In addition, the geographic difference isn't nearly as big of an issue as it was with WVU. It is still a long distance from the rest of the schools, but close enough that it is still within the big XII footprint, I would say.

If this was a video game, the next step imo would be UCF. They are a huge institution in a fertile recruiting ground. The sky is the limits for UCF really. The drawback is it is a very long way away from the rest of the members of the Big XII. I think we need to be realistic in regards to cost. Most of the programs lose money and it is only going to get worse if you add in the cost for travel for all the events and what not.

Realistically, I think the next best choice is Colorado State. as Travis said you capture that Denver footprint. It is also closer than Boise and again, would be a good fit if you are already including BYU. I know the Bball team is solid and the football team is doing well with potential. not sure about any other team but the biggest boon is the proximity of the university.

Boise is another option but again I think the geographic stratification would start to be a barrier.

I think one thing that the former B12 North schools will want is a school that isn't going to poach their recruiting. CSU is going to have to recruit Texas hard, and I think that will have people working against them. They do probably have more carry in Denver based on # of alumni than CU though. Also, didn't they announce they would not be pursuing the new stadium because the fundraising failed to meet its goal? That's what Google tells me.

It's not about flying, it's about the expense. It's expensive to have to fly a 20+ person team that makes no money around the country. Soccer, volleyball, etc. require a lot of seats. I'm guessing those sports would rack up at least half a million dollars just in travel, which would completely blow their budgets.

Anyone they add other than SMU, Houston, or Tulsa, is basically going to be a plane flight. Whether it's CSU or UCF, it's a plane flight. They're not busing from Waco to Ames right now, so it really isn't a big deal.

 

[Travis7401]

No, it's not an anomaly. TCU benefited from the conference upgrade in recruiting. My point is that BYU won't do that, because they're already getting 95% of Mormon football players. They get a few non-Mormon players, but not many, and that intake isn't likely to significantly increase just because they're in a higher conference -- there's only so many kids that want to go college in that environment. BYU is basically a 6-8 win team in the Big 12 and nothing else.



I think one thing that the former B12 North schools will want is a school that isn't going to poach their recruiting. CSU is going to have to recruit Texas hard, and I think that will have people working against them. They do probably have more carry in Denver based on # of alumni than CU though. Also, didn't they announce they would not be pursuing the new stadium because the fundraising failed to meet its goal? That's what Google tells me.



Anyone they add other than SMU, Houston, or Tulsa, is basically going to be a plane flight. Whether it's CSU or UCF, it's a plane flight. They're not busing from Waco to Ames right now, so it really isn't a big deal.

I agree with your first point about BYU recruiting.

CSU initially delayed the decision on the Stadium due to not meeting the fundraising goal (full private funding before construction). The president promised that they won't use any university general funds on the project (no state/tuition/etc money). They then decided they had enough private money through donations to start the Stadium construction in phases (basically build the stadium, add end zone/luxury boxes later). Then after McCelwein left for Florida, the CSU board decided to just double down and go for the full construction cost all at once, still promising to not have to use general funds. I'm not sure if that means they received another large donation/pledge or came to some sort of leasing agreement for using the venue for other events. Either way, the stadium is definitely happening at this point.

Yeah, it is a plane flight either way, but if they add BYU and UCF both, they become even more geographically stretched such that multiple teams are going to have to make 2-3 very long trips per season. It is a problem with WVU and this just compounds that problem. If they add BYU, I'd expect them to add another western team. If they don't add BYU, then I could definitely see them taking two teams from further east (in effect bridging the gap to WVU).

 

[jamesnathan]

Becoming a Power 5 team, BYU would get a lot of the top Mormon talent they aren't currently getting. Can you imagine a defense with Ziggy Ansah, Kyle Van Noy and Manti Teo? But they missed out on Teo, so it affected them. Plus, not every member of the team is LDS. It could help them upgrade slightly on the non-LDS players. I think BYU can improve a bit. They can be competitive most years and challenge some years. Not much different from most schools not name Texas, Oklahoma, USC, etc.

The impression being given here was that BYU was in serious talks with the conference and it broke down. BYU couldn't overcome things. BYU's AD said no one ever talked to him from the conference. So any discussion was in-conference and they never even talked to BYU to see what could be worked out. It's not like BYU had their shot and lost it. There was discussion of giving them a shot, but they were never given it.

 

[Renegade]

Becoming a Power 5 team, BYU would get a lot of the top Mormon talent they aren't currently getting. Can you imagine a defense with Ziggy Ansah, Kyle Van Noy and Manti Teo? But they missed out on Teo, so it affected them. Plus, not every member of the team is LDS. It could help them upgrade slightly on the non-LDS players. I think BYU can improve a bit. They can be competitive most years and challenge some years. Not much different from most schools not name Texas, Oklahoma, USC, etc.

The impression being given here was that BYU was in serious talks with the conference and it broke down. BYU couldn't overcome things. BYU's AD said no one ever talked to him from the conference. So any discussion was in-conference and they never even talked to BYU to see what could be worked out. It's not like BYU had their shot and lost it. There was discussion of giving them a shot, but they were never given it.

We'd have to parse his exact quote, but the media was widely reporting that the B12 was talking to BYU. It may have been that the AD from Texas was talking to him instead of him talking to the Commish directly, but I really doubt there was zero going on.

 

[Clintmartian]

BSU should switch with WSU in the PAC12 should they keep falling off in all their sports. Decent engineering and business school. Solid basketball and great football program.

 

[jamesnathan]

"We didn't get too far down the road (with the Big 12); we were told by the Big 12 that we were a team they were interested in, but we didn't even have discussions about television... TV is a part of any discussion now with conferences, but for people to say that the Big East was a very similar situation to the Big 12--it's not fair, because we didn't have television conversations before the Big 12 went and invited other teams."

That's the quote I was thinking of. I'll admit I wasn't completely correct in my memory. So yes, there were talks. But if they didn't even talk about TV, it didn't go very far. Then the Big 12 just up and invited TCU. So I think the truth is somewhere in between what we've both been saying. There were talks, but not to the degree that BYU dropped the ball or had their shot and blew it.

Also, if the Big 12 is open to BYU being football only, that's another draw. BYU can really jump in and not hurt the TV money the rest of the conference is getting.

However, with how much mis-information and assumption is out there about BYU I wouldn't be surprised if some members of the Big 12 just think they are a bad idea. If they pass on BYU, they may get a championship game but it wouldn't be the smartest move.

 

[Bdub]

BYU needs to do what Utah did. Go to the conference and say we will do what it takes to be part of your conference. Utah didn't even get a cut of the PAC 12 revenue the first year and only half the revenue in year 2. If you want to get an invite you can't come to the talks with demands, from the reports I have seen that's what BYU did.

I do think they can compete but it's going to take a few years to get to that point just like it did for Utah. Now that Utah has had a few years to recruit they are ranked in the top 25 in basketball and football. I also think BYU basketball would do really good in a P5 conference, much better than their football team will.

 

[jamesnathan]

I'd love to see a viable report from someone saying that BYU made demands. As the AD said, the talks didn't even get to TV. So how could they have demanded anything if talks never even got to that topic?

 

[Bdub]

I'd love to see a viable report from someone saying that BYU made demands. As the AD said, the talks didn't even get to TV. So how could they have demanded anything if talks never even got to that topic?

I think pretty much everyone reported here in Utah that they wouldn't give up BYU TV. Nobody who was part of any negotiations is going to talk about them, that would be beyond dumb.

 

[Wooly]

Yeah, I really do think the "BYU demands" issue is a media creation more than reality. In our media world of recycled info and little original reporting, things get perpetuated easily. One source blogs it, and everyone blogs it. I think the rumors stemmed more from how the MWC situation fell apart and went down before BYU went Indy. I believe there were more demands in that situation, and MWC partners didn't like it. Of course it made sense for BYU to make some demands in that case, since they and Utah were subsidizing the conferences and they wanted to either jump ship or get the lions share of the money to keep up with the national competition. BYU tried several different ways to keep some type of conference together, but they had to have more money, and it really pissed off the MWC members, who looking at losing Utah and BYU, and therefore their relevancy. I think they felt abandoned and BYU was strong-arming them or something, and this just after they thought they were on the cusp of national relevancy trying to get a conf with Boise St., BYU, TCU, and Utah.

 

[Wooly]

I think pretty much everyone reported here in Utah that they wouldn't give up BYU TV. Nobody who was part of any negotiations is going to talk about them, that would be beyond dumb.

I dont think the BYUtv is a big deal though, it does not involve first or even second tier TV rights from what I understand. Some rumors media talks about it as if it's a big deal, and I don't think it is.

BYUtv is simply the ability to rebroadcast BYU football games after the fact on BYUtv, produced by and created by BYUtv (so they are not even talking about the ESPN feed), and the right to produce and broadcast a game on BYUtv, if no one else is going to pick it up. Why would that bother any conference?

 

[Bdub]

Well all the back room dealings with Utah State etc didn't really help matters. Whatever the case may be there are a lot of conference mates who really didn't like BYU. You could say it is just jealousy, feeling abandoned etc, but none of them hated or hate Utah for leaving.
Like it or not BYU has an air of arrogance to them that goes from the players all the way up through Bronco and Holmoe. It rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I wouldn't doubt for a second that they made demands and where thus turned away.

 

[Wooly]

You are right in how the other teams felt about the USU thing, but it was their own fault in a lot of ways. BYU tried to keep the conference together with several attempts before and after Utah left, but the other schools wanted BYU to basically be "just another member" and BYU didn't see the point in that. It's like if Kansas told Texas they should have everything equal and got pissed if Texas wouldn't do it. What did they expect? BYU would have continued subsidizing the conference and stayed in the MWC if Utah would have stayed and helped BYU in propping up the conference. I think that is a good deal of good faith on BYU's part, but when Utah decided to leave, BYU said the game has changed and the status quo is no longer acceptable. BYU tried to get a reasonable deal with the MWC, and the MWC decided to play poker and demand BYU get in line and act like just another member of the conference. BYU said screw that and tried to work out a deal with USU where BYU could move over the WAC and have much more freedom over their football rights. The MWC was pissed that BYU was trying to manipulate the situation. But what did they expect? The MWC had just tried to do the same thing to BYU. Even if BYU is arrogant to them, it still seems like a sour grapes situation.

 

[Bdub]

I agree but is BYU really a P5 team? In the past they made their name by beating really bad teams with a few great wins over good teams. In the WAC they had a huge advantage in money and support. Their facilities were the best in the conference by far. This advantage has grown smaller and smaller and their domination of MWC teams has grown less and less. At this point their facilities are on par with other MWC teams. Are they willing to put the money into upgrades? If they are why haven't they? Bronco says football is his 5th priority in life. It has to be number 1 if they are going to take their game to the next level.

 

[Wooly]

I think BYU has a better program than half the P5 teams already. It's not so much winning, though they have that too, it's the money and resources they have and spend, the fan base, the ratings draw and prestigue, etc...in a word:the brand. They are obviously not Alabama, Texas, USC, etc. However they are a bigger program than the bottom half of P5 confs. However, that position may not last much longer if they don't find a way to start getting 20million + a year in revenue, like P5 confs are paying out now. That is where BYU is going to lose their status if they don't get into a P5 conf. I don't know all the ins and outs of facilities everywhere, but I would think their facilities are on par with most P5 teams, and certainly better than non-P5 teams. I have not been in their locker rooms, but they have large venues and new practice facilities IIRC.

 

[Travis7401]

Lol @ Bdub asking if BYU is REALLY a P5 team, then citing examples that make them sound exactly like a P5 team and citing those as negative factors? Oh all that money and support and best facilities in the conference, how can they ever jump to the P5?


I'm also dying at the #1 priority thing. What a bunch of corch talk. Anyone who makes football their #1 priority is a troglodyte and a moron and will never lead you to victory. Calling football the 5th priority in life is at least honest (though still disturbing, lol).

 

[Bdub]

Lol @ Bdub asking if BYU is REALLY a P5 team, then citing examples that make them sound exactly like a P5 team and citing those as negative factors? Oh all that money and support and best facilities in the conference, how can they ever jump to the P5?


I'm also dying at the #1 priority thing. What a bunch of corch talk. Anyone who makes football their #1 priority is a troglodyte and a moron and will never lead you to victory. Calling football the 5th priority in life is at least honest (though still disturbing, lol).

Really? The year they won the National Championship their schedule was so bad they had to create the BCS to make sure it would never happen again.

As far as money and facilities read my post you mong.

I guess it's odd to make being the best you can at your job a top 5 priority? For me it's something like family, religion, nutopia, job.

Bronco doesn't have Nutopia unless he is Hachiko.

 

[Travis7401]

My Job is like #9, lol. I'm not gonna nitpick anyone who ranks it anywhere between #3 and #10, I'm just saying that anyone who says College footbaw = #1 priority is either fucked or lying.

 

[Bdub]

You have to rank your job pretty damn high to put as many hours into it as most big time coaches.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Hells bells. I bet even Saban doesn't have football in his top 5.

 

[jamesnathan]

A lot of this conversation misses out on some of the facts. It's a lot of what I imagine powers in the Big XII say to each other about BYU without really knowing what the facts are.

BYU asked for rights to rebroadcast games on BYUtv when they were in the MWC. They kept being told it would be allowed, but it never was. If that's being too demanding, then I can only imagine how people feel about Texas.

BYUtv is not a money maker. It is not solely for sports purposes. It is not LonghornTV. But that's what it keeps getting compared to. A great example is the BYU - Oregon State football game last year. The game wasn't picked up by any tier of the PAC-12. BYU offered to drive their HD equipment up to the game and produce it for free as long as they could air replays on BYUtv. Fox ended up picking up the game, which was produced by BYU. BYUtv made no money for the school or the team with this. If that makes BYUtv something that other teams fear, then they don't understand the ability this channel can give for those games that the stations that have the rights don't pick up. Heck, BYUtv airs the early rounds of the WCC basketball tournament before ESPN starts airing them. Again, it's not a money maker for them because it's non-profit. But if you don't know the facts and just assume things because it's a TV station at a school, I can understand why you'd be afraid of it.

Also, Ute fans are the only people I know who have a problem with Bronco saying that football is #5 in his list of priorities. First, as though that means he doesn't care about football or his team winning. Second, anyone who has football or their job ahead of their family and faith (if applicable) is not the type of person I'd want to be around anyway. Everyone I know agrees that football shouldn't be #1. But Ute fans jump on that as though it means he doesn't care enough so why would a big-time conference want someone who doesn't care about football enough to say it's more important to him than his wife and children.

 

[silverwheels]

The Memphis and Cincinnati to the Big 12 rumors have really ramped up over the past couple of days. Supposedly they both asked the American to submit to them in writing the process for withdrawal from the conference.


Then again, all of this smoke is being fanned by one of the biggest rumormongers from the WVU camp, who has never been right on anything, so we'll see.

 

[coogrfan]

I simply cannot believe that The University of Texas would ever deign to associate itself with a school like Memphis.

 

[DeadMan]

Some might say they've already done worse by associating with West Virginia.

 

[R2D2]

BYU and Notre Dame. It's not that fuckin' hard.

East:
Notre Dame
West Virginia
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Baylor

West:
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
BYU

The East would probably be won by Baylor every year, but w/e.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

BYU and Notre Dame. It's not that fuckin' hard.

East:
Notre Dame
West Virginia
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Baylor

West:
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
BYU

The East would probably be won by Baylor every year, but w/e.

LOL! That ain't happening.

 

[Lightningwar]

Im pretty sure Notre Dame will end up in the ACC for football. They are already in it with all their other sports. Football is on a teaser 5 game conference schedule. I wonder when they fully join who the ACC will add to balance the conference. Maybe UCF?

 

[Hollywood]

Charlotte!

 

[Renegade]

Im pretty sure Notre Dame will end up in the ACC for football. They are already in it with all their other sports. Football is on a teaser 5 game conference schedule. I wonder when they fully join who the ACC will add to balance the conference. Maybe UCF?

UConn, maybe Cincinnati if UConn football is still in the shitter...Ville got in over UConn because the big football schools bitched about adding another basketball-first school, but UConn is their best fit now. Either way, FSU will never allow UCF into the ACC as long as they're there. UCF's only hope to move up is the Big 12.

 

[jamesnathan]

Big 12 announced they are not interested in expanding at this time. They seem determined that they'll be able to convince other conferences to let them have a playoff with 10 teams or something.

Meanwhile, the BYU-Portland basketball game wasn't picked up by TV so BYUtv aired it. BYUtv, a non-profit, made no money off of the game. It allowed any interested Portland fans the ability to see the game, though. I know there aren't many Portland fans, but I can understand why schools like Oklahoma State and TCU would be afraid of BYUtv. Who wants to mess with exposure like that?

 

[JSU Zack]

Now, the biggest shakeup is what happens with CUSA since UAB is gonna be kicked for not having a football program. Do they raid the Sun Belt again for look for an FCS program?

 

[silverwheels]

I really hope the Big 12 is not allowed to have a CCG with only 10 teams. Dumbest idea ever.


The fuckheads who lead this conference made this bed and now they have to sleep in it.

 

[Rutgers Mike]

Big 12 announced they are not interested in expanding at this time. They seem determined that they'll be able to convince other conferences to let them have a playoff with 10 teams or something.

Meanwhile, the BYU-Portland basketball game wasn't picked up by TV so BYUtv aired it. BYUtv, a non-profit, made no money off of the game. It allowed any interested Portland fans the ability to see the game, though. I know there aren't many Portland fans, but I can understand why schools like Oklahoma State and TCU would be afraid of BYUtv. Who wants to mess with exposure like that?

They smoking crack. No one let any of the other conferences have it with 10 teams, so why the fuck should they let the Big 12 do it?

 

[Lightningwar]

Big 12 is going to fall further and further behind imo.

 

[jamesnathan]

I agree. There's no way other schools will let them have it with 10. Also, can you imagine watching a rematch? This year, for example, you'd have Baylor play TCU. Is it fair to make Baylor have to win again? And how fair is it if TCU wins when they lost the first time? The latter makes more sense when there are more teams, not 10.

I'm curious to see if they just stay put with this hope and when it falls through the playoff will expand to 8 anyway and they only lost out on a couple of years (even though TCU could have had a really good shot this year).

 

[Brick]

I agree. There's no way other schools will let them have it with 10. Also, can you imagine watching a rematch? This year, for example, you'd have Baylor play TCU. Is it fair to make Baylor have to win again?

man, your point is right, but people need to stop with this.

TCU and baylor are an hour away. they would be in the same division. they WOULD NOT play each other again.

so the championship game would be baylor (head-to-head) vs some 5-3 team in the league or something. which is even worse than the scenario you described.

everyone should be pressured to drop to 10 teams.

 

[jamesnathan]

Brick, while I agree with you, if you let a 10-team league have a championship game who's to say they have to have divisions? Divisions are helpful when you have too many teams to play in a season. But if you're already playing everyone in the season, I see no need for divisions. That's where I was coming from with my comment (for right or wrong).

 

[Brick]

they will. so even the crappy schools (see mizzou in the sec) have a chance to make the game every once in a while.

 

[goblue96]

8 conferences of. 8 teams. Everybody else plays little boy football.

 

[silverwheels]

Cincinnati AD has been telling boosters that if they upgrade their facilities (which they are in the process of doing) that they'll prolly have a Big 12 invite within 3 years. I wonder who #12 is.