Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
I think OOTP just needs to revamp their international scouting discovery dmsysytem to include academies and targeting recruiting efforts more.
No it’s a dumb argument. Scouting discoveries are random. Increased talent will benefit good teams because the drafts will be deeper. Talent in general works itself out and we shouldn’t mess with it, even though the feeder leagues suck.
Targeting certain positions, attributes (power v speed, stuff v movement), L/R handed, high cieling/low floor vs. low ceiling/high floor would make it way better.I think OOTP just needs to revamp their international scouting discovery dmsysytem to include academies and targeting recruiting efforts more.
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Dublin hasn’t had a good scouting discovery in forever
Why are you so obsessed with scouting discoveries? Of the available ways to get talent (IFA, Draft, Int'l Pro FA, Indy FA), it's by far the least significant. No one seems to get GOATs from it. It's mostly just filler guys. I think I've gotten 1 good auto IFA in 30 seasons.You're completely logically wrong. However variable the random talent comes from scouting discoveries, it will always be proportionate to the talent that comes from feeder leagues. Even if the draft is deeper the talent is still evenly distributed. With scouting discoveries, half go to Seoul and Dublin and the rest are randomly given out.
Why are you so obsessed with scouting discoveries? Of the available ways to get talent (IFA, Draft, Int'l Pro FA, Indy FA), it's by far the least significant. No one seems to get GOATs from it. It's mostly just filler guys. I think I've gotten 1 good auto IFA in 30 seasons.
If you'll get rid of scouting discoveries or make significant overhauls to IFA, I quit.
37 players left in IFA... how many teams even have $ left to buy players?If you'll get rid of scouting discoveries or make significant overhauls to IFA, I quit.
37 players left in IFA... how many teams even have $ left to buy players?
That's the thing we should be worried about in terms of talent development. It seems like now 15 IFA players per class just sit in this purgatory. That can't be good.
I have no clue what my budget has to do with my main point... it is not good for the game to just have tons of dudes sitting in some unknown IFA zone and not playing minor league games. It's going to screw up the talent pool even worse.This is another good reason to increase talent in the feeder leagues. Having the biggest proportion of talent coming from the fairest method of distribution (the draft) is the best thing for the game. I agree with keeping IFA and discoveries as they're fun but making the meat and potatoes more important would benefit all.
I love how you always pipe up about IFA as your massive budget has benefited the most from it and sooner is the first to threaten to quit over discoveries as he's got/had a fair few that have helped him along the way. And then everyone expects me to shut up about basically my only avenue to sustained success......
I've had like three good IFA discoveries in 20+ seasons. My best ever is Vicente Medina who is only a 3.5 star and probably won't ever even compete for an MVP. I took over Moscow in 2058 with a $58M budget. I built my team through trades, smart FA signings, a couple IFAs that panned out, and decent drafts. Certainly not through discoveries. I also took advantage of inactive GMs. Being an active GM and not a complete idiot (an idiot to OOTP or baseball) is literally all it takes to be successful in this game. You have already made great strides with your team and none of it is because of the rule changes, but because you are active.This is another good reason to increase talent in the feeder leagues. Having the biggest proportion of talent coming from the fairest method of distribution (the draft) is the best thing for the game. I agree with keeping IFA and discoveries as they're fun but making the meat and potatoes more important would benefit all.
I love how you always pipe up about IFA as your massive budget has benefited the most from it and sooner is the first to threaten to quit over discoveries as he's got/had a fair few that have helped him along the way. And then everyone expects me to shut up about basically my only avenue to sustained success......
This would also go some distance in levelling out the advantage that a team with elite scouting discoveries has too, so I'm all for that. How long would it take to become effective?
More players means more chances for players like those. There may be some further tweaks I could tryIf we add more talent to the feeder leagues doesn't that just mean haves are getting better players with later picks? We definitely won't be changing it so that there's a Carrier or Kasib every year.
noMore players means more chances for players like those. There may be some further tweaks I could try
This is a giant problem too. The amount of prospects/players who can field AND hit in the league is very low.To me, our biggest problem is that too many prospects are trog bats, to me. Nothing better than guys with 80 speed & 30 of range.
That is interesting... Nakamura had 4 290+ K years. We have no pitchers that are Kasib, Corbishly, Nakamura level and haven't in a long time.
I wonder if we are just in a down swing for pitching. The top 13 pitching by WAR years are all 2052 and before. In the last 10 seasons, we've had 1 top 50 all-time by WAR pitching season. Last year the top SP by WAR in JV were: 4.7, 4.3, 4.0, 3.8, 3.8. 10 years ago it was 5.5, 5.2, 5.1, 4.8, 4.8.
This is a giant problem too. The amount of prospects/players who can field AND hit in the league is very low.
I am curious if you got rid of DH in feeder leagues would that help? I'm not sure but the game is flush with guys who can't field.
This is a great idea, though I'm still not sure how fielding rating (not experience) development actually works, but it cant hurtThis is a giant problem too. The amount of prospects/players who can field AND hit in the league is very low.
I am curious if you got rid of DH in feeder leagues would that help? I'm not sure but the game is flush with guys who can't field.
Turning it off overall or just in the feeder leagues?Forcing them into the field could help their error ratings, but that's about it. Range only ever seems to go one way- down.
I guess the question is if turning the DH off stops DH-only guys from bring generated. Turning is off is fine by me- it's not like they can get any worse.
This is a great idea, though I'm still not sure how fielding rating (not experience) development actually works, but it cant hurt
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Turning it off overall or just in the feeder leagues?
I started a shortlist of interesting guys several seasons ago and noticed a couple things:
Range only goes down, but error, turn dp, and even arm can go up some. Any upward range increases I've seen have been down to scouting- OSA says 50, scout says 55 type stuff.
Random 'pops' don't happen at the feeder levels. Only in the minors. Which is weird, you'd think some guys break out late in high school or college, but this doesn't happen.
So feeders are worthless except as a sperg tool
Depends on your deifnition of weak ratings. I use stats to differentiate between similar players. It also showns signs of progression and lets you know what level of the minors to start them out at.
If we add more talent to the feeder leagues doesn't that just mean haves are getting better players with later picks? We definitely won't be changing it so that there's a Carrier or Kasib every year.
The league works, so all of this is hypothesis and I'm not really that bothered. But fwiw it doesn't matter if the draft is deeper. The top of the draft will still have the better players and if you increase talent in the feeder leagues, that's upping the quality of players with the fairest method of distribution.
The league has three methods of prospect entering the league -
1 - IFA - Used to favour those with money. Cap needs changing imo as it's too fair now.
2 - Discoveries - Random
3 - The draft - Slightly favours badly performing teams but even distribution.
If you change the quantities or quality of any of the talent coming through those methods, it will affect the fairness of distribution according to those three factors.
My perspective is not about getting more GOATS in the league but getting a better balance in the way teams acquire talent. IFA and discoveries are fun but obviously need to be in proportion.
But at the end of the day the league works and I'm happy to leave as is. I do think talking about ways to improve the league makes for a better league though, and it's nice to have a record of suggestions for a time when people do want change.
Also, @doh I do think the IFA cap is too low. I think a cap is great, but at the moment it is pretty much a one prospect each which isn't enough. I would (not that anyone would listen) set it at about 20m.
Wants a cap to make the game easier. Gets a cap. Unhappy with a cap.
We can't change the cap because of independent developeres
But at the end of the day the league works and I'm happy to leave as is. I do think talking about ways to improve the league makes for a better league though, and it's nice to have a record of suggestions for a time when people do want change.
Wait 4-5 years when the talent level is even worse because we have dudes who are just chilling in this no where land. The cap was a terrible idea from the start.I think a cap is great,
I like you tooI like you @doh , but most of this is total guff. I'm tired and about to go to sleep, and I can't be bothered to get into it anyway as I don't really care and am tired of it. The league is fine however it's set up. The nuances are mostly superfluous and most people should be able to adjust anyway (including myself). Unlimited IFA - I'm happy. Everyone a bum - I'm cool with that. None of this matters.
I like you too
I just think everything you said was wrong in terms of making talent distribution more "even". The idea is for teams with a choice on budget on buying FAs vs. IFAs. Trading salary vs taking it on. The current vs. future. The current system means there is no choice to be made anymore. I'm forced to spend basically $90m on FAs this off-season vs. $50m on IFA (with penalties) and $40m on FAs. I don't think that's good for the have nots.