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Sarknado II - USC Trojans 2015 season.
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goblue96
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I realize you despise SC, but are you really saying the best coach SC could hope to get is Clay Helton? Seriously? A program like SC with its location and piles of money couldn't attract someone better?
Now, there's no guarantee that the search doesn't get all fucked up and we make a stupid hire anyway.
But to assume we can't do better is naive.
Bdub
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Like I said, arrogance.
Wrong, since no one is easier to hate than SC.
Brick
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I've never really hated USC at all. Fanbase too apathetic for that. Not Oregon State either. Oregon is easily the most hateable fanbase in the Pac-12 IMO. USC fans are at worst the kind of the annoying smug "oh who cares we'll be back in 10 years" type that don't really care if they have bad stretches. Pretty fairweather since "LOL LIVE IN LA OTHER THINGS TO DO".
BasinBictory
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What USC needs to do is to attempt to hire Nick Saban, then, when he declines, go with whoever he recommends. It worked when they tried to hire a guy named Knute Rockne.
TM has a point in that USC can indeed throw a pile of money at whoever comes to LA, and thus should be able to attract a big-name coach. However, a big name coach (and I've heard everyone from Chip Kelly to Jeff Fisher to John Harbaugh - and LOL at all of those guys) might not be the right coach at USC.
If we attract a "big name" with that pile of cash, I'm afraid what we'll get is the aforementioned big name who comes in with a lot of hype, proceeds to go 9-4, 8-5, 9-4, then loses any talented assistants and goes 7-6, then flees to the NFL after the inevitable improper benefits/rape accusations/academic scandal.
Sometimes you just get lucky. John McKay, John Robinson, and Pete Carroll all arrived at the HC position with very little fanfare and a thin (or unimpressive) resume, and proceeded to tear shit up.
EDIT: Which is why I am thinking this is Helton's potential star-making audition.
TM has a point in that USC can indeed throw a pile of money at whoever comes to LA, and thus should be able to attract a big-name coach. However, a big name coach (and I've heard everyone from Chip Kelly to Jeff Fisher to John Harbaugh - and LOL at all of those guys) might not be the right coach at USC.
If we attract a "big name" with that pile of cash, I'm afraid what we'll get is the aforementioned big name who comes in with a lot of hype, proceeds to go 9-4, 8-5, 9-4, then loses any talented assistants and goes 7-6, then flees to the NFL after the inevitable improper benefits/rape accusations/academic scandal.
Sometimes you just get lucky. John McKay, John Robinson, and Pete Carroll all arrived at the HC position with very little fanfare and a thin (or unimpressive) resume, and proceeded to tear shit up.
EDIT: Which is why I am thinking this is Helton's potential star-making audition.
BasinBictory
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Karl Hungus
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How many times do I have to tell you that Mike Stoops is the perfect fit?
nofx94
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I hate Notre Dame way more than UCLA. UCLA doesn't get to send their president on equal footing with conference commissioners despite being irrelevant in the national title discussion for most of three decades. That's Notre Same.
Anyway, I think Helton might be the right move. Our offense has been mostly very good, I am a fan of continuity. And I don't think we need the next big name.
BasinBictory
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Helton, though, is a Sark acolyte, of the School of Soft Offensive Football. I like what I'm seeing out of Michigan and Haubaugh's pugnacious style. THAT is the Michigan I grew up watching and liking, and what USC used to be under McKay and Robinson (I was too young to see those teams play).
I was talking to another parent on my son's soccer team who is also an SC guy and he and I agreed that this team (and recent years in general) feel much like the 90's teams; sprinkling of NFL talent at the skill positions, but with a soft O-line, a weak defense that neither excels at defending the run or the pass, and an overall finesse mentality.
PSUEagle
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I really have no idea who USC could go after if you want them to play a pro style brand of offense. You'd say NFL guy, but who? Hue Jackson? Jon Gruden?
I honestly have no idea what direction they'll go in when it comes to their HC search. The biggest college name I could see is Sumlin: if A&M loses a few more games he may see that job as one with a glass ceiling he'll never be able to break through.
I honestly have no idea what direction they'll go in when it comes to their HC search. The biggest college name I could see is Sumlin: if A&M loses a few more games he may see that job as one with a glass ceiling he'll never be able to break through.
DeadMan
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You said this exact same shit with Michigan, and that ended up pretty good for them.
Bdub
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USC is definitely not Michigan
Bdub
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Guarantee they feel that way.
BasinBictory
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USC doesn't have a large alumni base? Could've fooled me.
BasinBictory
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Well, how was Michigan before Harbaugh came? You'd make that same argument a year ago.
Bdub
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What coach of Harbaugh caliber is out there?
DeadMan
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Not as big as Michigan's, which was my point. Michigan has over half a million alumni, and I think we are the second biggest alumni group, behind Penn State, in the country.
BasinBictory
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Okay, but I thought you were under the assumption that USC was a tiny private school like Rice or Notre Dame. USC'S enrollment is something like 25,000 and obviously has been around a very long time. Every place I've worked at or my parents have worked had lots of Trojan alumni.
DeadMan
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It's only a slight difference. I don't think USC has the national reach of a school with the huge alumni base of Penn State or Michigan (for example, I don't know any USC alumni here, but I know a decent amount of Penn State alumni). That's really not a big deal for football, though, which is why I still said USC is a better job.
nofx94
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LOL
Lightningwar
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USC is a top destination for any coach imo. Tradition and sharing LA with UCLA and no NFL team has a lot of perks. Plus access to CA for recruiting and much better weather than a Nebraska or Michigan.
bruin
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this is a great fucking post.
Plus, our fan base isn't going to stalk you like some of the more football-crazy schools. We expect good results, yes. But you can walk down the street, go out to dinner with your wife, etc., and nobody is going to bother you.
Some of those Notre Dame fans might go out to dinner with your wife though.
That's okay, it's a respectful rivalry. No Bruin cuckolding allowed though.
Bdub
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A BIG name obviously.
No big names, unless they're going to get Sumlin like @PSUEagle said, which seems unlikely to me. His alma mater is about to open up and if he doesn't want to leave for there, he probably won't want to leave A&M. The biggest up and comer is Fuente, who seems to me like a guy who wants to stay in the South so he'll probably go to SCar, Miami, UVA, or somewhere else that pops open. The other big up and comers like Herman, Babers, and Fleck don't have significant enough resumes yet to get a job at somewhere like SC and will probably be snapped up by programs like Illinois more willing to take risks. There are some really good jobs out there this offseason that don't have nearly the amount of pressure or turmoil surrounding SC.
BasinBictory
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Rest assured that if Haden is doing the picking, it......will be interesting.
CJ_24
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He could bring Randy Shannon along as his defensive coordinator.