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Conference Excretion Thread
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silverwheels
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Tulane.
I remember some Utopian on an old board had a dynasty with Tulane and they were invited to the Big 12.
hell, i'd take tulane right now if it meant i could go to new orleans all the time
jamesnathan
Resident Mormon
coogrfan
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Hey, it worked for Baylor and Texas Tech, right?
JAR201166
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Jsu replaces Uab ticket prices rise from $2 to $10
silverwheels
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Sounds like OU and the SEC have restarted talks, 4 or so years after OU had an invite with Texas A&M but told the SEC "no" because OSU couldn't come along, in the wake of OU president David Boren's recent comments about the Big 12 needing to expand (with quality candidates) or OU is looking elsewhere, with or without OSU. I used to hate the thought of OU in the SEC because I hate SEC fans, but the Big 12 is a terrible conference for getting fans excited (OU sucking doesn't help, obviously), but being paid more and having more marquee home games would help, regardless of the state of the program. Also hearing rumors of the B1G showing interest in OU and Texas for teams 15 and 16.
Lightningwar
Administrator
Sounds like the Big 12 is going to meet the fate of the Big Least. I for the life of me cant figure out the Big 12. They seem stuck on stupid over expanding and not having a CCG. Or is Tejas just that entrenched?
The ACC should pounce on Tejas and OU if possible. Expand to 9 conference games. Profit.
The ACC should pounce on Tejas and OU if possible. Expand to 9 conference games. Profit.
coogrfan
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Big XII(actuallyX)minus at least II more, here we come!
jamesnathan
Resident Mormon
I saw this recently and since someone bumped this thread I thought I'd post it. There's a rumor flying around out there that BYU demanded things of the Big XII and that's why TCU and WVU were chosen and not them and that BYU is hard to work with. Neinas says otherwise:
A few common beliefs are BYU is difficult to deal with, that BYUtv is a problem and that no Sunday play caused the Big 12 to look elsewhere for its last two members. Then interim commissioner Chuck Neinas, who oversaw the last additions, went on air with 1320 KFAN’s Tim Montemayor in April, and when asked about why BYU wasn’t offered a spot he refuted all of the reasons that have been floating around.
"People need to stop asking questions with no answer, BYU is one of the most respected institutions in the country and we found nothing negative with them, West Virginia and TCU, for that matter, were just better fits," he said.
He also said, “There is no negative to Sunday play or otherwise" and that “BYUtv was not a sticking point; it did not come up.”
According to the man who oversaw the expansion talks, the reason BYU wasn’t chosen was because the conference felt West Virginia (a land-grant school) and TCU (geographically superior) were just better choices.
A few common beliefs are BYU is difficult to deal with, that BYUtv is a problem and that no Sunday play caused the Big 12 to look elsewhere for its last two members. Then interim commissioner Chuck Neinas, who oversaw the last additions, went on air with 1320 KFAN’s Tim Montemayor in April, and when asked about why BYU wasn’t offered a spot he refuted all of the reasons that have been floating around.
"People need to stop asking questions with no answer, BYU is one of the most respected institutions in the country and we found nothing negative with them, West Virginia and TCU, for that matter, were just better fits," he said.
He also said, “There is no negative to Sunday play or otherwise" and that “BYUtv was not a sticking point; it did not come up.”
According to the man who oversaw the expansion talks, the reason BYU wasn’t chosen was because the conference felt West Virginia (a land-grant school) and TCU (geographically superior) were just better choices.
silverwheels
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Whatever the case, I still wish we could go back in time and keep the original Big 12 intact. Maybe if 16-team conferences were still going to happen, we could have expanded with BYU, CSU, and a couple of others. Tulane still would have been nice because French Quarter.
doh
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FWIW I've always thought/read/heard the ACC is absolutely obsessed with Texas and would bend over to get them in.
Still think the PAC-12 shit the bed by not wanting OU, UT, OSU and TTU in the league and it will haunt them. I believe the first time around UT didn't want to but second time around the Pac presidents voted it down.
Big XII should've added Louisville, Cincy, BYU and Boise when they could. LOusiville is as legit as almost any athletics department in the country. The only show in a rather big market. NBA level arena. Football stadium and other facilities top notch. Tons of money. Cincy is a big market and very close to Louisville geographically. Boise and BYU as FB only are both legit top 20 programs.
Still think the PAC-12 shit the bed by not wanting OU, UT, OSU and TTU in the league and it will haunt them. I believe the first time around UT didn't want to but second time around the Pac presidents voted it down.
Big XII should've added Louisville, Cincy, BYU and Boise when they could. LOusiville is as legit as almost any athletics department in the country. The only show in a rather big market. NBA level arena. Football stadium and other facilities top notch. Tons of money. Cincy is a big market and very close to Louisville geographically. Boise and BYU as FB only are both legit top 20 programs.
silverwheels
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Yeah, the first expansion theory for the Pac-10 (at the time) was Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, and one other (Kansas, I think), but Baylor pitched a fit about being left out and Texas was on the verge of getting their own network, in addition to Texas A&M wanting nothing to do with going west, so it got shot down. Then after CU and Utah joined, there was the proposal that Texas, OU, Texas Tech, and OSU join, but by then the LHN was either launched or about to, so that option was gone, too. And obviously OU and OSU, in spite of their strengths athletically, weren't going to move the Pac-12 needle by themselves in a state of less than 4 million, which is why that got shot down. I wouldn't have minded OU in the PAC (that was my first preference for a long time), but ultimately it's not the same culture. OU belongs in a conference that primarily takes up the plains states, but since that doesn't seem financially viable anymore, it seems like their best bet is the SEC unless Texas decides to go to the B1G along with.
But yeah, Texas would love an ND-style deal with the ACC, but I doubt the conference members would let that happen again, which is why the Big 12's (and Texas's) fate seem to rest with OU's decision on where they want to go.
But yeah, Texas would love an ND-style deal with the ACC, but I doubt the conference members would let that happen again, which is why the Big 12's (and Texas's) fate seem to rest with OU's decision on where they want to go.
Bdub
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I think ultimately it is good that the PAC didn't get Texas, maybe not money wise but style wise they are just different. Would love to see BYU and Boise in the PAC even though it will never happen, it would be good for Utah to have their rival in conference. That and BYU is starting to fade in talent. They need to be in a legit conference to recruit better.
doh
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BYU as football-only would add a lot to the Big XII. I think it'd be a very good mutual pairing. Same for Boise State. I think they need to be proactive too. Just sitting around at ten isn't going to help anyone. BYU has I believe found out that scheduling is not as easy as they thought. Four good games to start then most of the rest of the schedule is awful.
I also think the ACC would allow Texas into the league and let them keep the LHN. I think it's a major reason they haven't done an ACC Network yet.
I also think the ACC would allow Texas into the league and let them keep the LHN. I think it's a major reason they haven't done an ACC Network yet.
jamesnathan
Resident Mormon
One reason I shared it is because it corroborated what other outlets have said that BYU wasn't seriously looked at and not that they demanded too much, which everyone seems to believe despite no legitimate source saying that was the case.
Roll Fizzlebeef (aka USF)
Active Member
I mean, Id love to see USF in a decent conference again, but they aren't even in the conversation now, and with good reason. Nobody is going to take the shit-dick of a lower conference into a big conference. They hire other schools bag men as head coaches, and when they suck a fat one, nobody does anything because nobody gives a shit.
BasinBictory
OUT with the GOUT
BYU in the Pac 12 makes more sense than Colorado, and they'd probably be competitive sooner in the conference than the Buffs. Boise and BYU are welcome - Pac-14 engage.
Renegade
Charge on!
The ACC is going to have the ACC Network up and running within two years; they're not going to let the Longhorn Network stick out there.
Oklahoma to the SEC is just posturing by Oklahoma because they want Big 12 expansion to bring back the CCG and help stabilize the conference. I think they realize that the B12 can be raided, and while OU almost certainly has a seat at another table, it's worthwhile to strengthen the conference now rather than waiting like the Big East until the raid was over before you could react with new teams. Bringing in 2-4 new teams will give them the better part of a decade to integrate into the B12 and compete at that level, so if teams are lost down the road, the B12 will still be a high-level, functioning conference. So this talk is just OU posturing to get UT and the other schools on board with expansion; of course, if they continue to oppose expansion and the creation of a Big 12 Network, then OU may very well bolt first and tackle the GOR in court.
Mr. Radpants
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Bring back Julmiste as HC, instant SEC invite.
Renegade
Charge on!
They did, but good luck enforcing that in court in Oklahoma.
doh
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But if they're both owned by ESPN, who cares? The big thing with Pac-12 is they wanted a network 100% owned by the Pac-12.
JSU Zack
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JSU fans are freaking out over this. EKU is the last quasi-rival we have left the conference. If they leave, we'll be marooned in a basketball conference with no meaningful competition in football. If EKU is voted in, expect JSU to push hard to jump out of the OVC next summer.
Snorky's Shame
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Looks like Coastal Carolina will be joining the Sun Belt next year.
East:
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy
West:
Arkansas State
Idaho
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas State
East:
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy
West:
Arkansas State
Idaho
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas State
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
They aren't joining for football until 2017.
Snorky's Shame
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You're right, all sports save football next year.
Wonder how this affects Masschusetts (independent after this year with no obvious place to go) and New Mexico State (do they really want to stay in the zombie WAC for other sports?).
Not to mention other FCS schools that want to move up.
Wonder how this affects Masschusetts (independent after this year with no obvious place to go) and New Mexico State (do they really want to stay in the zombie WAC for other sports?).
Not to mention other FCS schools that want to move up.
Renegade
Charge on!
Liberty has got to be pissed right now. They are so much more prepared to be in FBS than Coastal Carolina (and indeed much of the existing Sun Belt), but they can't get called up basically because of religious discrimination. They really need to sue the NCAA over the rule that requires a conference invite to move up.
JSU Zack
How do I IT?
It won't matter in ten years. If my idea doesn't pan out, I'd rather just see Division 1 merge back into one group rather than have them split. NDSU & other FCS powers are deserving of bowl game payouts just like the "Group of 5".
Snorky's Shame
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If the Pac-12 is reluctant to take Brigham Young, what makes you think they're taking Baylor, Southern Methodist and Texas Christian?
Also you left out Virginia.
Also you left out Virginia.
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doh
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This + people would much much rather go to Myrtle Beach over Lynchburg is a reason too. I do think Coastal has better potential too from the standpoint of more attractive area for recruits and not scaring off recruits with religious stuff. But in terms of support, money, facilities, etc. Liberty is definitely a better choice.
goblue96
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I spent a weekend visiting Lynchburg College on a college visit. There wasn't fuck all to do in Lynchburg except get drunk with rednecks which is what my host did on Friday night. I got to stay in the dorm room with no key to get back in if I went to the bathroom and locked myself out. So, I watched game 7 of the Twins-Barves World Series on a TV with shitty reception because, well, it was Lynchburg, VA in 1991.
Snorky's Shame
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Idaho and New Mexico State will not have their agreement with the Sun Belt extended past 2017.
Thinking New Mexico State will try to stick it out but not sure about Idaho. It would make sense to go back to the Big Sky but FBS to FCS has not been done since the last reclassification in the early 80's. The last school to shut their program for good was Pacific in the mid-90's which followed Cal State-Fullerton and Long Beach State shutting down their programs.
I wonder about Massachusetts as well since the Sun Belt for football only looks off the table now.
I don't even know where to begin with the Big XII rumors.
Thinking New Mexico State will try to stick it out but not sure about Idaho. It would make sense to go back to the Big Sky but FBS to FCS has not been done since the last reclassification in the early 80's. The last school to shut their program for good was Pacific in the mid-90's which followed Cal State-Fullerton and Long Beach State shutting down their programs.
I wonder about Massachusetts as well since the Sun Belt for football only looks off the table now.
I don't even know where to begin with the Big XII rumors.
Renegade
Charge on!
I'm having a hard time seeing either of those programs stay up. FCS is where they both belong, and NMSU can focus on basketball. UMass is in a little better position because there's so many more programs in the east that will play them. UMass made a mistake by not joining the MAC for all sports though.
JSU Zack
How do I IT?
Idaho's return to the FCS seems logical. It's getting traction in the media. It would be nice for Eastern Washington to have a challege for a change.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/idaho-return-big-sky-stronger-possibility-215059685--ncaaf.html
JSU Zack
How do I IT?
Since the Sun Belt is down to 10 members, fans of JSU and EKU are banging the drum again to move up. EKU is the only OVC school that has shown interest in moving up in the past two years. They barely lost the bid last year. JSU's president has went on record he has no desire to move up due to financial reasons.
silverwheels
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I don't think anyone does. OU president David Boren has laid out his terms for the long term survival of the Big 12 with the goal of making everyone in the conference happy (expansion, title game, conference network), but at this point, a conference network with such a small population base and only 10 teams, not to mention the albatross that is the Longhorn Network, seems highly unlikely, especially with the ACC nowhere near a network in spite of a much larger base.
Expansion to 12 with 2 out of BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, Tulane, UCF, USF, and Connecticut is probably just as unlikely for a while. And the thought of some football-centric ACC teams defecting to the Big 12 is a pipe dream to say the least. That conference isn't going anywhere as long as Tobacco Road/Virginia want to keep it together. Big 12 is meeting in a couple of months to look at numbers but won't decide on anything then, with more discussions coming before fall practice begins. Sounds like the commissioner and university ADs/presidents want another year of data before attempting to think about expansion, although at some point they've got to grow some balls and make a decision one way or the other. Realistically there just aren't any available schools that will move the needle significantly for the Big 12 while keeping other problems to a minimum. A title game after a round robin schedule is about as dumb as it gets and I hope they don't go that route, even if it's just temporary.
A lot of rumors around about OU having an unofficial invite to the B1G once his terms aren't met, but I doubt they're true. Not sure OU is a good fit for that conference, anyway. With the Pac-12 Network not performing as hoped/expected, one would think that door is open again for a pod of CTZ teams that would have to include Texas and Oklahoma, at least down the road, but who knows. Then there's the SEC, who I'm sure would love to have OU in the fold for several reasons...
Karl Hungus
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I'm surprised New Mexico hasn't ever been mentioned for Big XII expansion. Geographically works, similar-sized TV market to OKC, adds something in basketball at least.
doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
I think long play wise the Pac-12 absolutely needs to add TX/OU (+ OSU/TTU?) if they want the Pac-12 Network to work as it is currently. I don't know if those schools "fit" the Pac-12's mentality and most of the member schools approach to athletics but the Pac-12 Net is a complete disaster. The main issue is that people on the west coast don't care enough about the teams here to give a shit to get the network. If an OU or UT game wasn't on (or even Oklahoma St/Texas Tech), I'm sure those carriers would get absolutely killed.
I also think the branding of Texas/Oklahoma is worth so much to the Pac-12 as well. The only "marquee" program the Pac-12 has is USC (with Oregon becoming that nationally and to a lesser extent Stanford). I think recruiting wise schools like Utah, Colorado, AZ schools would have a chance to do pretty well in Texas as well.
I'm just not sure the Pac-12 lightweights want to deal with the ego/wants/needs of Texas and Oklahoma. I'm not sure Texas/Oklahoma could deal with a conference where all the power and decisions are made from the west coast. But financially and football wise it makes a lot of sense for both parties.
If I was the Big XII, and I've posted this a few times, I'd add BYU and Boise State as football only. The Big XII basketball league is incredible and perfect at the time. I know that isn't THE focus but it is a minor factor. Both bring name recognition and take football extremely seriously. BYU travels and Boise does as well. I know they don't add MarKettZ but generally both teams rate well. If you had to do all sports, I think I'd go Cincy (even though they're not big time in their own city, basketball arena sucks, football facilities except stadium which was remolded but is tiny) and one of the Florida schools for "recruiting". I guess you could argue UConn because of hoops but football is a mess and Cincy is way closer to WVU than Storrs which helps travel wise.
Lightningwar
Administrator
Will people on the west coast care about Tejas\OU? Those schools are 1500-2000 miles away from some of the other Pac 12 schools.
silverwheels
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Poor academics and football (usually), small population, and a recruiting ground that is most famous for producing Landry Jones.
Yeah, I think they should be in the ACC just for basketball alone, but football is the driving factor here and they've been decent a few times--getting killed by OU in the Fiesta Bowl 6 years ago is their peak--but not enough to make them an attractive option, even if they are in the populous NY market/area.
OU/Texas/Kansas/someone would make a nice addition to the Pac and keep them from falling too far behind the SEC and B1G, if 16-team conferences is the end game, which I'm not sure it is. But I agree, OU and Texas would add to the conference's football profile and give them a presence in another time zone with a highly populated state, while Kansas gives them a basketball blue blood they've been sorely missing since (I blame) UCLA fell off. I think OU would play nice with everyone else, but Texas obviously won't. They're going to try to keep the Big 12 together until the bitter end, just because they benefit from the arrangement so much.
BYU and Boise as football only kinda works, although I've personally never liked conferences with partial members in major sports. If the Big 12 had had the foresight to go after an eastern pod of WVU, Cincinnati, Louisville, and Pitt after A&M and Missouri left, they'd be in much better shape right now, but that didn't happen so the Big 12 is scrambling even harder than before. At this point, I think the conference is fine from an on-the-field/court standpoint, but they're not in a good position to be as successful financially moving forward as the other P5 conferences, which is why I think it's time to just blow the damn thing up, send everyone their separate ways, and get us to a P4 setup. But there's so many factors going into this that it will never be that easy or simple.
silverwheels
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Yeah, travel's the main problem with the Pac expanding that far east, along with the perception that people on the west coast generally just don't care about sports, especially college sports. But the addition of 4 schools from the plains with more interested/involved fanbases might alter that perception a little.
I wish it were that simple, but it really is because BC is run by a bunch of shitheads.
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...c-director-gene-defilippo-espn/1#.VurV-RIrKYU
UConn could at least win one conference game in football and basketball so GJGE representing New England.
Also, Texas in the Pac-12 would be complete ass. I would probably stop watching if that happened. Though it might be worth Leach trolling them again.