UConn gonna have to fight hard for that last ACC spot with WVU when it comes time. Fuck you @MtneerManiac @Bmack!
ACC gotta be usf + ucf
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UConn gonna have to fight hard for that last ACC spot with WVU when it comes time. Fuck you @MtneerManiac @Bmack!
Notre Dame is guaranteed a spot in the ACC when they move to 4 conferences, so there's only going to be one spot. I guess if the B1G adds GT/UNC/UVA/Wake or whatever like they've been rumored to do (Midwest footbawl!), there would be more openings.
So I've been thinking what a good conference would be of the best non-P5 teams plus Big XII teams I think could get left out of super conferences. And no, I didn't take the time to picture the superconferences to try and figure out who in the P5 would still be included. I know that some of these teams may still be included in P4. But I named 12 because I think any 10 of this group still makes a pretty good conference.
I left out teams far east figuring that UCF, USF, Memphis, etc could do the same thing on the east coast. And I left SDSU out because I see BYU kind of leading the charge on this and SDSU has been pretty crappy to BYU since BYU left the MWC. So I don't see them getting along very well.
Boise State
BYU
Air Force
Colorado State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Texas Tech
Houston
Baylor
Utah State
Cincinnati
TCU
Anyway, I doubt I'll think about it very much more. My actual prediction is that something happens before 2024 and Oklahoma's presumed ditching of the Big XII. Oklahoma may still leave, but I have a feeling things will happen earlier than we think that will set off another set of dominos.
That conference @jamesnathan is envisioning is way better than the AAC, though.
Even though the Big 12 announced that its decision not to expand was unanimous, sources told ESPN on Tuesday there were schools that ultimately agreed to go along with the plan when it became obvious the conference would not reach the supermajority needed to expand.
In a 714-word league memo covering the league's talking points, obtained by ESPN, the first two items instructed officials to "Indicate the Board arrived at a "Unanimous Consensus" and say "the Board was unanimous in its desire and commitment to stay at 10 members."
The internal Big 12 memo also suggested conference officials not "indicate that TV influenced [its] decision" and that the Big 12 was not "psychologically disadvantaged" because it didn't expand.
Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and Oklahoma president David Boren announced Monday night that the conference was no longer considering expansion. The Big 12 required approval from eight of its 10 schools if it wanted to expand, although no such votes were taken, Bowlsby said.
The Big 12 initially considered 19 schools and that list was trimmed to 11 -- Air Force, BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, Houston, Rice, South Florida, SMU and Tulane -- all of which conducted in-person meetings with conference officials in Dallas last month.
Despite a number of schools favoring expansion, Bowlsby and Boren said the decision not to expand was unanimous.
"When presidents get in a room and read the tea leaves that it's going the way it's going, they go with it," a source told ESPN. "Even if there were 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 [schools in favor of expansion], those presidents are very skilled in seeing the inevitability of the outcome and aligning on the right side of history. It's pretty easy to get comfortable with that position and stick to it."
The memo issued by the Big 12 instructed league officials not to repeat what Boren said last year, when he told the OU Daily that "I believe that we [the Big 12] are psychologically disadvantaged because we are a smaller conference."
The conference also provided a number of "message points," which recommended not discussing individual schools and quashing any conversation that the Big 12 is "dysfunctional." Other message points touted the strength of the conference -- it won three NCAA titles and had six runner-up finishes last year in all sports -- and that the league's revenue is at an all-time high and projected to reach $40 million per school.
The memo issued by the Big 12 indicated to league members several "do's" and "don'ts" when discussing the decision on not to expand.
Do:
• Indicate the Board arrived at a "Unanimous Consensus."
• [Say] the Board was unanimous in its desire and commitment to stay at 10 members.
• Refer to the conference as equal to our peer group.
• Revenue alone does not win championships.
• We are not going to publicly discuss consideration details.
• We were exhaustive in our research.
• We have the most competitive competition model in college sports.
• Refer to 2024-25 as an opportunity to explore the media landscape and how to use new technologies to deliver content to our fans.
• The sunset of our Grant of Rights agreements allows the Conference to be in an active marketplace.
• Expansion is no longer an active agenda item.
Don't:
• Say we are at a competitive disadvantage.
• Say revenue determines strength.
• Say expansion is dilutive.
• Say candidates were not deemed Power 5 worthy.
• Refer to any specific expansion candidate/school by name.
• Indicate that TV influenced decision.
• [Say] we are psychologically disadvantaged.
• Discuss 2024-25 as a grant of rights issues.
Well Cincinnati wouldn't be in it, but it's marginally better. It'd have a shit TV deal with a bunch of flyover mountain states, and the former Big 12 teams would suck. ISU and KSU would be MAC level; Baylor drops to SMU level. TCU sustains only of they keep their coaching staff, otherwise they're Tulsa. Either way, it's not a power conference and will find itself as a G6 conference.
I also think you'd have New Mexico and UNLV over Utah State and Cincinnati. No incentive for Cincinnati to pay to leave and join another G6 conference that is geographically western.
It'd be hilarious if the Big 12 let the GOR expire and none of the other conferences added any of the schools. What then? Dumbasses.
Notre Dame ain't walking through that door. And anyone else that brings a guarantee has long since had their payday. So if that was what they wanted they should have started and ended discussions about 60 seconds apart, 12 months ago. I think they can guarantee that the product would at worst be the same with just about any of those candidates. But most likely slightly improved.. The problem was there was no guarantee that any of the candidates would end up benefiting the Big 12.
Notre Dame ain't walking through that door. And anyone else that brings a guarantee has long since had their payday. So if that was what they wanted they should have started and ended discussions about 60 seconds apart, 12 months ago. I think they can guarantee that the product would at worst be the same with just about any of those candidates. But most likely slightly improved.
The problem was there was no guarantee that any of the candidates would end up benefiting the Big 12 in all areas long term and put them on the same level as the other P5s.
That's exactly the sort of thinking that allowed Louisville to slip thru your fingers.
Divisions are stupid as hell. Going to a championship game from what they currently have, which is as close to perfect as you get, is also stupid, but at least it's a less stupid championship game system than every other conference has.
Big 12 won't split into divisions to decide championship game participants
Will pit #1 vs. #2. Die in an AIDS fire, Big 12.
First of all, conference championship games are fucking stupid, period. Rematches are fucking stupid. The Big XII as it exists now is perfect with the round robin. They were just too stupid to name Baylor the outright champion two years ago. And the media is just too fucking stupid to understand it's the best, fairest way to guarantee the team with the best season wins the title most years. And if some years a bunch of 6-3 dipshits tie for first? Fine, flip a coin or have a random tiebreaker. No one really deserves it anyway.Is it?
What happens if you have a situation where #1 and #2 have locked up their spots in the CCG and then they wind up facing off in the final game of the regular season? Would either coach play his starters? Or would they treat it like the last week of the NFL preseason?
And if anyone thinks this is far fetched, just take a look at the current standings and then check out the schedule for week 15.
Morons.
Old news but surprisingly has not been brought up yet.
Liberty moves up to FBS as an independent.
They'll probably independent for a while, I don't see a fit as the Sun Belt has already said no.
What bias? Because Liberty is barely a school?
Hmmm, except one of those schools teaches creationism and is full of teachers who think the Earth is 6,000 years old. I'll let you guess which one.
Oh, they also hired Baylor's former AD who enjoys ignoring rape for footbawl. So they can eat shit and die.